On Fri, 15 May 2020 at 04:16, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
Thanks Steven this is cool to see that Siren is living and kicking. Last year I was browsing the old site and I was sad because I thought it was dead. Your OSC looks better than the one in Pharo even if we used it successfully to connect interactive tables with a HCI research group.
If you need help to migrate from VW let us know because it would be great to have Siren working in Pharo. I did not see any Unit tests and the tests saved us when we migrated Moose. Sometimes we even only kept them because they were better than the implementation. It took us around six months and we got free :) And we have some contacts that would be interested in London. We could put you in contact.
Now just some questions and you may know the answer so I ask
I was thinking but I may be totally wrong that it was forbidden to give VW images and that the current license was for personal use only. Long time ago the shrink process was removing the compiler. Now I saw that your image is 42mb.
Personally I do not want to download any VisualWorks distribution and sign their licenses because I want to stay cristal clear on ANY license and possible issues. I did not look at Visualworks since 2008 and I feel clean and I will stay like that.
So I imagine that Iâm not allowed to use your software. Iâm not good in music sadly so there is no frustration from my side.
You mention that people can use a non-commercial version of VW but this license does not exist anymore. Is there a 64 bits version of VW because VW7.5 starts to show its age and on recent mac you only have 64 bits.
Some people may think that we are just over the top on open-source but this is not by accident that we took the responsibility to create Pharo. We could not distribute Moose our open-source platform so after 10 years of hard work we had to do something. And we created Pharo. And the problem we got were with the previous version (the non commercial) of the Cincom license and the new one is even more restrictive. Some friends of mine told me that some lawyers were starting to get picky and send letters around. So watch out.
BTW I did not see the license of Siren on the git repo. If I may suggest one, BSD/MIT are nice, avoid GPL because it means that nobody serious on Smalltalk will ever look at your system and contribute.
I recently saw an MIT/GPL comparison that I liked which was based on "What Are You Afraid Of?" * The MIT license is if youâre afraid no one will use your code; youâre making the licensing as short and non-intimidating as possible. MIT is good for projects with a small audience where you want to maximize community growth. * The GPL license is if you are afraid of someone else profiting from your work, i.e. how you would feel about that versus how likely it is to happen. GPL can be good for large infrastructure projects (Linux) to reduce money driven feature fracturization of the community. cheers -ben