Hi Milan, First of all, welcome in our community. We do not maintain StackOverflow and the experience that you have there is not representative for our project. This mailing list(s), the Slack team and the issue tracker are. Btw, debugging for 2 days is a great way to start learning Pharo. And we do appreciate the effort. Please do engage with us. We want your energy and your commitment. Cheers, Tudor
On Jun 13, 2016, at 10:22 AM, stepharo <stepharo@free.fr> wrote:
Hello Milan
Re: Pharo 5 accented chars bug/regression.eml Sujet : Re: Pharo 5 accented chars bug/regression De : Milan Vavra <vavra_milan@yahoo.com> Date : 12/6/16 21:50 Pour : pharo-users@lists.pharo.org I have debugged the issue and figured out how to fix it. I have seen it as an opportunity to learn Pharo debugging and I did learn a few tricks on the way. It took me 2 full days of debugging.
Thanks for your time. This is important because most of us are not fluent with encodings, especially me :)
It is a simple fix that works for all the Pharo versions on Windows that have this problem. Including Pharo 6 without Nicolai's fix applied. And it does not break any shortcuts as far as I can tell.
Super!
I was so proud of myself. You can! Could you sign the license agreement
I thought I deserved some recognition. And I still do. It is not that someone else could not do it. I am sure that many people would be able to do that as well. But I did take the time to do it. And it worked. I kind of would have liked to be able to point to it and say "I fixed that".
I know that feeling :) and this is great that you could do it.
I thought stackoverflow.com might be a good place for that. I was wrong. Having had my stackoverflow.com post attacked by aggressive incompetent anonymous down voters who were interested in down voting but possess no sense of humor or knowledge of Pharo or Smalltalk I think I understand now that stackoverflow.com is overrated.
You are the not the first one to get such bad experience. I do not understand why people are that stupid.
I don't think a site that actively encourages that kind of behavior deserves to benefit from my fix in any way. I would need a whole bunch of sympathizers to overturn the downvoting. I am not sure it is worth anybody's time.
I understand now that mailing lists have several good qualities that stackoverflow.com does not have: posts can not disappear. People can not anonymously make you look bad even if they are incompetent in the subject matter.
Don't get me wrong. I'm ok with being told that I'm ugly or stupid if I understand what it is that is disliked.
We are not like that. Pharo is our systems and people are here to improve it. Open a bug entry on fogbugz and people will comment positively.
But I do not like places where anonymous bullying is actively encouraged. Hey I even got a 'Peer Pressure' badge for deleting my down voted post.
This is why we do not really like people having strong opinion while being anonymous. You can have a strong feeling but not bashing for bashing.
So much for context.
I understand that Nicolai is working on a fix of his own. The preliminary version for future Pharo 6.0 shows promise. With it, it is possible to type all the russian characters. Even with the fix it is not possible to type the Latin 'Ä' but I guess that can be fixed too.
Back to business:
Is there anyone out there using Pharo 3, 4, 5 or 6 on Windows that would benefit now from being able to type the characters Ä, Ä, Ä or Russian Ð, Ð, Ð, Ð, Ð, Ð in Workspace/Playground and System Browser?
It would be nice for Pharo 5. Since it will be the official version for about more than a year.
I guess I would like to know how to get this fixed with my fix and get some visibility in the process. If there is any interest.
Milan
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