Victor wrote
Traditionally and culturally, at first glance, forgive me if I'm stereotyping, but the smalltalk world seems to be heavily biased towards academic and large proprietary enterprise tooling and development environments
I have also heard this (from non-Smalltalkers). My experience in the community (just 3 years) is markedly different. Although there is definitely strength in academic (e.g. Noury's great robotics stuff [2]) and enterprise settings, if I had to pick the most common scenario, I see many vibrant small businesses (e.g. Inceptive [1]) doing web and desktop apps. For myself, I use Smalltalk as it was intended... as prototype Dynabook software ;) I am slowly wrapping my world (calendar, todos, notetaking, journal) in Smalltalk because I will not accept anything less from my computer than live turtles all the way down. I also use it to replace shell scripts, to run Jenkins jobs, and to write web and desktop apps for small businesses - you would never run out of work if you went around to people using Excel spreadsheets and built Smalltalk apps that express their intentions on their own terms, instead of Excel's (or whatever other off the shelf garbage they're using). [1] http://inceptive.be/ [2] https://www.google.com/search?q=noury+robotics p.s. Pharo has laid a lot of groundwork in the last few years to magnify all this. When I first discovered Smalltalk, I was excited by the power, but frustrated by the mess under the covers of Squeak (FileDirectory was particularly agonizing). Whenever I started to develop a revolutionary-next-cool tool, I ran into a mess like the text model. Since then, Pharo has been steadily evolving many foundational pieces. There has been an upfront cost of backward-compatibility, as some great projects have not kept pace. But it seems all worth it, as I feel us approaching a critical point where the clean, beautiful system will inspire and support the next generation of amazing ideas on top of Pharo. p.p.s. Squeak has also made a lot of progess and I value it highly :) I'm particularly excited about the cooperation and cross-pollination that I've seen recently... ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Why-are-SmallTalk-projects-source-code-hosted-on-SS3-G... Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.