[Pharo-project] Some Newbie problems
Hi, I'm trying to work my way through the Pharo by example book on my Ubuntu 12.04 LTS box. Unfortunately, things in the book don't look like they do on my setup. For example, I can't work out what the key combination is to get the 'Morphic Halo'. I can get it from a menu, but not from a key press combination. Also, calling: BouncingAtomsMorph new openInWorld doesn't work. I just get an error message saying that there is no such object. I thought these problems might be due to me having the standard image instead of the Pharo by Example image. So I downloaded that image but when I call Pharo on that image: $ ./pharo ../Resources/PBE.image I just get a segmentation fault. I'm a complete newbie (but an experienced programmer in a variety of OO and other languages), so if anyone could shed any light on this, I'd be very grateful. Thanks Peter -- *Peter Bradley* peredur.net <http://www.peredur.net>
welcome peter
I'm trying to work my way through the Pharo by example book on my Ubuntu 12.04 LTS box. Unfortunately, things in the book don't look like they do on my setup. For example, I can't work out what the key combination is to get the 'Morphic Halo'. I can get it from a menu, but not from a key press combination.
on mac it is option + cmd + shift and you click on the morph
Also, calling:
BouncingAtomsMorph new openInWorld
doesn't work. I just get an error message saying that there is no such object.
The BouncingAtomsMorph is not loaded in the new images.
I thought these problems might be due to me having the standard image instead of the Pharo by Example image. So I downloaded that image but when I call Pharo on that image:
$ ./pharo ../Resources/PBE.image
I just get a segmentation fault.
The image of the book is an old one and you should get (may be I'm wrong) an old vm for example it should work on a Squeak3.9 VM.
I'm a complete newbie (but an experienced programmer in a variety of OO and other languages), so if anyone could shed any light on this, I'd be very grateful.
Let us know if you have any other problems. This is try true that such problems are annoying but we do not have the resources to write a new book, develop pharo and maintain the old book. Did you have a look at the pharocast because this is also a good way to learn. Stef
Thanks
Peter -- Peter Bradley peredur.net
El 05/05/12 21:12, Stéphane Ducasse escribió:
welcome peter
Thank you
I'm trying to work my way through the Pharo by example book on my Ubuntu 12.04 LTS box. Unfortunately, things in the book don't look like they do on my setup. For example, I can't work out what the key combination is to get the 'Morphic Halo'. I can get it from a menu, but not from a key press combination. on mac it is option + cmd + shift and you click on the morph
Doesn't help a lot when you're not on a Mac :-) But it's not insuperable since I can get to it via the menus. I did try all the combinations I could think of, though (various combinations of [Shift], [Ctrl], [Alt], [Meta] and left and right clicks). Nothing seemed to work on Ubuntu 12, I'm afraid.
Also, calling:
BouncingAtomsMorph new openInWorld
doesn't work. I just get an error message saying that there is no such object. The BouncingAtomsMorph is not loaded in the new images.
OK. Well. As long as it doesn't become crucial to the business of learning how to use SmallTalk and Pharo, I guess I can ignore the problem. For now, at least.
... $ ./pharo ../Resources/PBE.image
I just get a segmentation fault. The image of the book is an old one and you should get (may be I'm wrong) an old vm for example it should work on a Squeak3.9 VM.
Again, I guess as long as it's not crucial, I can just carry on.
I'm a complete newbie (but an experienced programmer in a variety of OO and other languages), so if anyone could shed any light on this, I'd be very grateful. Let us know if you have any other problems. This is try true that such problems are annoying but we do not have the resources to write a new book, develop pharo and maintain the old book.
I sympathise with that, although it can be a bit self defeating in that if the docs aren't good and up-to-date it can put people off... Also, of course, the longer you leave things the worse it gets. The revision job just becomes bigger and bigger.
Did you have a look at the pharocast because this is also a good way to learn.
I'll take a look. Thanks. Cheers Peter -- *Peter Bradley* peredur.net <http://www.peredur.net>
On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Peredur <peredur@peredur.net> wrote:
I did try all the combinations I could think of, though (various combinations of [Shift], [Ctrl], [Alt], [Meta] and left and right clicks). Nothing seemed to work on Ubuntu 12, I'm afraid.
Have you tried with middle click? At least in windows, you need "Shift + middle click" to get the halos. Cheers, Richo
Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
welcome peter
I'm trying to work my way through the Pharo by example book on my Ubuntu 12.04 LTS box. Unfortunately, things in the book don't look like they do on my setup. For example, I can't work out what the key combination is to get the 'Morphic Halo'. I can get it from a menu, but not from a key press combination.
on mac it is option + cmd + shift and you click on the morph
Also, calling:
BouncingAtomsMorph new openInWorld
doesn't work. I just get an error message saying that there is no such object.
The BouncingAtomsMorph is not loaded in the new images.
I thought these problems might be due to me having the standard image instead of the Pharo by Example image. So I downloaded that image but when I call Pharo on that image:
$ ./pharo ../Resources/PBE.image
I just get a segmentation fault.
The image of the book is an old one and you should get (may be I'm wrong) an old vm for example it should work on a Squeak3.9 VM.
I'm a complete newbie (but an experienced programmer in a variety of OO and other languages), so if anyone could shed any light on this, I'd be very grateful.
Let us know if you have any other problems. This is try true that such problems are annoying but we do not have the resources to write a new book, develop pharo and maintain the old book.
The new book focuses on different issues than the old book. It would be sad to let the old book languish entirely and end up with a poor first impression for newcomers, so I am willing to participate in updating it to Pharo 1.4. I am getting a lot from Pharo and this is something I can contribute. I think it fair the main developers continue with implementing and documenting the advanced features, while the community maintains the more established things. A quick scan pegs this effort at updating about 170 images, plus hopefully a minimal amount of text. How would I proceed with this? cheers -ben
Did you have a look at the pharocast because this is also a good way to learn.
Stef
Thanks
Peter -- Peter Bradley peredur.net
On 06 May 2012, at 09:06, Ben Coman wrote:
The new book focuses on different issues than the old book. It would be sad to let the old book languish entirely and end up with a poor first impression for newcomers, so I am willing to participate in updating it to Pharo 1.4. I am getting a lot from Pharo and this is something I can contribute. I think it fair the main developers continue with implementing and documenting the advanced features, while the community maintains the more established things. A quick scan pegs this effort at updating about 170 images, plus hopefully a minimal amount of text. How would I proceed with this?
This would be a **really** good idea/initiative ! Sven
The new book focuses on different issues than the old book. It would be sad to let the old book languish entirely and end up with a poor first impression for newcomers, so I am willing to participate in updating it to Pharo 1.4. I am getting a lot from Pharo and this is something I can contribute. I think it fair the main developers continue with implementing and documenting the advanced features, while the community maintains the more established things. A quick scan pegs this effort at updating about 170 images, plus hopefully a minimal amount of text. How would I proceed with this?
cheers -ben
Thanks ben. I think that the first volume of the book is on git hub so you can simply go ahead. May be you should register to the she mailing-list mailing-list and mention your effort. Stef
On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr
wrote:
The new book focuses on different issues than the old book. It would be sad to let the old book languish entirely and end up with a poor first impression for newcomers, so I am willing to participate in updating it to Pharo 1.4. I am getting a lot from Pharo and this is something I can contribute. I think it fair the main developers continue with implementing and documenting the advanced features, while the community maintains the more established things. A quick scan pegs this effort at updating about 170 images, plus hopefully a minimal amount of text. How would I proceed with this?
That would be AWESOME. Really.
cheers -ben
Thanks ben. I think that the first volume of the book is on git hub so you can simply go ahead.
https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/
May be you should register to the she mailing-list mailing-list and mention your effort.
Sbe-discussion@iam.unibe.ch, or "sbe@iam.unibe.ch Example" <sbe@iam.unibe.ch>, ? -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
On May 6, 2012, at 2:17 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
The new book focuses on different issues than the old book. It would be sad to let the old book languish entirely and end up with a poor first impression for newcomers, so I am willing to participate in updating it to Pharo 1.4. I am getting a lot from Pharo and this is something I can contribute. I think it fair the main developers continue with implementing and documenting the advanced features, while the community maintains the more established things. A quick scan pegs this effort at updating about 170 images, plus hopefully a minimal amount of text. How would I proceed with this?
That would be AWESOME. Really.
cheers -ben
Thanks ben. I think that the first volume of the book is on git hub so you can simply go ahead.
https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/
May be you should register to the she mailing-list mailing-list and mention your effort.
Sbe-discussion@iam.unibe.ch,
discussion for now. I do not know if the other is open
or "sbe@iam.unibe.ch Example" <sbe@iam.unibe.ch>,
?
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
El 06/05/12 13:17, Mariano Martinez Peck escribió:
On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr <mailto:stephane.ducasse@inria.fr>> wrote:
>> > > The new book focuses on different issues than the old book. It would be sad to let the old book languish entirely and end up with a poor first impression for newcomers, so I am willing to participate in updating it to Pharo 1.4. I am getting a lot from Pharo and this is something I can contribute. I think it fair the main developers continue with implementing and documenting the advanced features, while the community maintains the more established things. A quick scan pegs this effort at updating about 170 images, plus hopefully a minimal amount of text. How would I proceed with this? >
That would be AWESOME. Really.
I would be the last person who could really help, directly with this, but I'd be happy (other pressures permitting) to do some proof-reading for you and to act as a guinea pig for you - along the lines of, "If it's clear to me it's probably going to be clear to other readers since my prior knowledge is nil". :-) Peter -- *Peter Bradley* peredur.net <http://www.peredur.net>
Peredur wrote:
El 06/05/12 13:17, Mariano Martinez Peck escribió:
On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr <mailto:stephane.ducasse@inria.fr>> wrote:
>> > > The new book focuses on different issues than the old book. It would be sad to let the old book languish entirely and end up with a poor first impression for newcomers, so I am willing to participate in updating it to Pharo 1.4. I am getting a lot from Pharo and this is something I can contribute. I think it fair the main developers continue with implementing and documenting the advanced features, while the community maintains the more established things. A quick scan pegs this effort at updating about 170 images, plus hopefully a minimal amount of text. How would I proceed with this? >
That would be AWESOME. Really.
I would be the last person who could really help, directly with this, but I'd be happy (other pressures permitting) to do some proof-reading for you and to act as a guinea pig for you - along the lines of, "If it's clear to me it's probably going to be clear to other readers since my prior knowledge is nil".
:-)
Peter That would be welcome. I'll move further discussion to sbe-discussion@iam.unibe.ch list. Announce yourself there also.
cheers -ben
El 06/05/12 23:27, Ben Coman escribió:
That would be welcome. I'll move further discussion to sbe-discussion@iam.unibe.ch list. Announce yourself there also.
cheers -ben
I tried, but the list rejected me: You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has been automatically rejected. If you think that your messages are being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at sbe-discussion-owner@iam.unibe.ch. Cheers Peter -- *Peter Bradley* peredur.net <http://www.peredur.net>
Peredur wrote
I'm trying to work my way through the Pharo by example book on my Ubuntu 12.04 LTS box.
This comes up every so often, so here's a one-click image adapted from the Pharo 1.4 one click, but with the Jenkins Stack VMs, briefly tested on Debian and OS X... I will host it temporarily at: http://seandenigris.com/files/PBE-1.0-one-click.zip Maybe someone will test in on Windows... and maybe someone will add it to the PBE site instead of the plain image so our new users will not suffer so much :) HTH, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Some-Newbie-problems-tp4611608p4611923.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
El 05/05/12 23:09, Sean P. DeNigris escribió:
This comes up every so often, so here's a one-click image adapted from the Pharo 1.4 one click, but with the Jenkins Stack VMs, briefly tested on Debian and OS X...
I will host it temporarily at: http://seandenigris.com/files/PBE-1.0-one-click.zip
Maybe someone will test in on Windows... and maybe someone will add it to the PBE site instead of the plain image so our new users will not suffer so much :)
HTH, Sean
-- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Some-Newbie-problems-tp4611608p4611923.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Tried it... Left-click (outside of a workspace) brings up the World menu - check. Right-click does nothing. But left-click in a workspace that contains a message (e.g. 3 - 4) brings up a context menu ('do it', 'print it' etc). Not sure if that's a check or not... So I guess that means that with this image, left-click is either a 'click' or an 'action-click' depending on context. Could not find any button combination to activate the "morphic halo". So I'm not sure if I'm better off with this image or not, TBH. Cheers Peter -- *Peter Bradley* peredur.net <http://www.peredur.net>
In Ubuntu 9.10 under Parallels... Peredur wrote
But left-click in a workspace that contains a message (e.g. 3 - 4) brings up a context menu ('do it', 'print it' etc)
I get the expected behavior - click moves the cursor, right click brings up the menu Peredur wrote
Could not find any button combination to activate the "morphic halo".
Alt-shift-click works for me. I should mention that the one-click worked if I executed the .sh from the Terminal, but couldn't seem to find the image if I clicked on it directly from gnome. IIRC both ways worked in Debian... HTH, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Some-Newbie-problems-tp4611608p4613322.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
I hope to get some time to migrate the pbe web site under the same umbrella that the pbe2 during a meeting :) Now it would be good to host this image on the pharobooks project and that we get a link on the pbe page. Stef
Peredur wrote
I'm trying to work my way through the Pharo by example book on my Ubuntu 12.04 LTS box.
This comes up every so often, so here's a one-click image adapted from the Pharo 1.4 one click, but with the Jenkins Stack VMs, briefly tested on Debian and OS X...
I will host it temporarily at: http://seandenigris.com/files/PBE-1.0-one-click.zip
Maybe someone will test in on Windows... and maybe someone will add it to the PBE site instead of the plain image so our new users will not suffer so much :)
HTH, Sean
-- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Some-Newbie-problems-tp4611608p4611923.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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