In the network graph hovering over charig/2-March commit I see a new platform Nopsys added for SqueakNOS. [A] https://github.com/OpenSmalltalk/opensmalltalk-vm/network Thats cool !!! It'll be great to see this work with OpenSmalltalk. However I notice its been added as a submodule. [B] https://github.com/charig/opensmalltalk-vm/commit/2bd87b525b6b46439c90506c0a... Submodules bring additional complexity, so I thought there should be some discussion on this topic. Here are a couple of balanced introductions to submodules... [C] http://www.catalyst-au.net/blog/git-submodule-misunderstood-beast-or-remorse... [D] https://www.philosophicalhacker.com/post/using-git-submodules-effectively/ And a couple of cautions about using them... [E] http://slopjong.de/2013/06/04/git-why-submodules-are-evil/ [F] https://rufflewind.com/2017-02-21/quirks-with-submodules Guido & Javier, Have you used submodules successfully elsewhere? Could you discuss your strategy using a submodule for the platform code rather than adding directly into the opensmalltalk-vm repository? I see your parent repository includes opensmalltalk-vm as a submodule similar to how I *thought* Pharo was doing it, but wait on comment from Esteban. . [G] https://github.com/charig/Nopsys [H] https://github.com/charig/Nopsys/blob/master/.gitmodules So it seems platforms/Nopsys is a sub-sub-module. Esteban, I thought that you were using submodules to incorporate opensmalltlak-vm into the pharo-vm, but I can't see a .gitmodules file there. [I] https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm So did you do it another way, or am I missing something? Could you report your experience with adding opensmalltalk-vm into the pharo-vm repository? cheers -ben
Hi, We didn't expect to be found yet :). But well...we are actually working on a second revival of the SqueakNOS project. Hope to give news in the mailing list soon, but we are still far from having something working with all the new stuff. Concerning submodules, yes there are plenty of arguments for and against. I've been using them successfully in some projects depending on the Truffle/Graal platform. Nonetheless, in case we managed to make progress and the community is interested on the results, for sure we will be open to discuss about this. Best, Guido. 2017-03-18 10:53 GMT-03:00 Ben Coman <btc@openinworld.com>:
In the network graph hovering over charig/2-March commit I see a new platform Nopsys added for SqueakNOS. [A] https://github.com/OpenSmalltalk/opensmalltalk-vm/network
Thats cool !!! It'll be great to see this work with OpenSmalltalk. However I notice its been added as a submodule. [B] https://github.com/charig/opensmalltalk-vm/commit/ 2bd87b525b6b46439c90506c0a47e17ea1d5ac93
Submodules bring additional complexity, so I thought there should be some discussion on this topic. Here are a couple of balanced introductions to submodules... [C] http://www.catalyst-au.net/blog/git-submodule- misunderstood-beast-or-remorseless-slavering-monster [D] https://www.philosophicalhacker.com/post/using-git-submodules- effectively/
And a couple of cautions about using them... [E] http://slopjong.de/2013/06/04/git-why-submodules-are-evil/ [F] https://rufflewind.com/2017-02-21/quirks-with-submodules
Guido & Javier, Have you used submodules successfully elsewhere? Could you discuss your strategy using a submodule for the platform code rather than adding directly into the opensmalltalk-vm repository?
I see your parent repository includes opensmalltalk-vm as a submodule similar to how I *thought* Pharo was doing it, but wait on comment from Esteban. . [G] https://github.com/charig/Nopsys [H] https://github.com/charig/Nopsys/blob/master/.gitmodules So it seems platforms/Nopsys is a sub-sub-module.
Esteban, I thought that you were using submodules to incorporate opensmalltlak-vm into the pharo-vm, but I can't see a .gitmodules file there. [I] https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm So did you do it another way, or am I missing something? Could you report your experience with adding opensmalltalk-vm into the pharo-vm repository?
cheers -ben
On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 11:24 PM, Guido Chari <charig@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
We didn't expect to be found yet :).
haHaaa!! *grin* the many eyeballs of opensource strikes again! Hopefully there is some benefit in my poking my nose to learn of Jan's work. Release early, Release often is the mantra on the day. btw, This history page initially confused me... https://gitlab.com/johnnyzz/pharonos/network/pharonos The top five commits (Oct 25 - Nov 3) are Jan's 2016 work. Commit six (Apr 7) and lower is your work from 2011. Its a pain there is nothing to indicate such a jump in time. cheers -ben
But well...we are actually working on a second revival of the SqueakNOS project. Hope to give news in the mailing list soon, but we are still far from having something working with all the new stuff.
Concerning submodules, yes there are plenty of arguments for and against. I've been using them successfully in some projects depending on the Truffle/Graal platform. Nonetheless, in case we managed to make progress and the community is interested on the results, for sure we will be open to discuss about this.
Best, Guido.
2017-03-18 10:53 GMT-03:00 Ben Coman <btc@openinworld.com>:
In the network graph hovering over charig/2-March commit I see a new platform Nopsys added for SqueakNOS. [A] https://github.com/OpenSmalltalk/opensmalltalk-vm/network
Thats cool !!! It'll be great to see this work with OpenSmalltalk. However I notice its been added as a submodule. [B] https://github.com/charig/opensmalltalk-vm/commit/2bd87b525b 6b46439c90506c0a47e17ea1d5ac93
Submodules bring additional complexity, so I thought there should be some discussion on this topic. Here are a couple of balanced introductions to submodules... [C] http://www.catalyst-au.net/blog/git-submodule-misunderstood- beast-or-remorseless-slavering-monster [D] https://www.philosophicalhacker.com/post/using-git-submodule s-effectively/
And a couple of cautions about using them... [E] http://slopjong.de/2013/06/04/git-why-submodules-are-evil/ [F] https://rufflewind.com/2017-02-21/quirks-with-submodules
Guido & Javier, Have you used submodules successfully elsewhere? Could you discuss your strategy using a submodule for the platform code rather than adding directly into the opensmalltalk-vm repository?
I see your parent repository includes opensmalltalk-vm as a submodule similar to how I *thought* Pharo was doing it, but wait on comment from Esteban. . [G] https://github.com/charig/Nopsys [H] https://github.com/charig/Nopsys/blob/master/.gitmodules So it seems platforms/Nopsys is a sub-sub-module.
cheers -ben
If there are discussions about submodules, I would like to participate ... submodules have a lot of the flavor of a ConfigurationOf where a new version needs to be created when the sub-project's version changes - I think I've got that detail right - this cause tight coupling between projects and makes cross-platform usage of such projects nearly impossible... All of this doesn't mean that there aren't specific cases where submodules may make sense ... Dale On 3/18/17 8:24 AM, Guido Chari wrote:
Hi,
We didn't expect to be found yet :). But well...we are actually working on a second revival of the SqueakNOS project. Hope to give news in the mailing list soon, but we are still far from having something working with all the new stuff.
Concerning submodules, yes there are plenty of arguments for and against. I've been using them successfully in some projects depending on the Truffle/Graal platform. Nonetheless, in case we managed to make progress and the community is interested on the results, for sure we will be open to discuss about this.
Best, Guido.
2017-03-18 10:53 GMT-03:00 Ben Coman <btc@openinworld.com <mailto:btc@openinworld.com>>:
In the network graph hovering over charig/2-March commit I see a new platform Nopsys added for SqueakNOS. [A] https://github.com/OpenSmalltalk/opensmalltalk-vm/network <https://github.com/OpenSmalltalk/opensmalltalk-vm/network>
Thats cool !!! It'll be great to see this work with OpenSmalltalk. However I notice its been added as a submodule. [B] https://github.com/charig/opensmalltalk-vm/commit/2bd87b525b6b46439c90506c0a... <https://github.com/charig/opensmalltalk-vm/commit/2bd87b525b6b46439c90506c0a...>
Submodules bring additional complexity, so I thought there should be some discussion on this topic. Here are a couple of balanced introductions to submodules... [C] http://www.catalyst-au.net/blog/git-submodule-misunderstood-beast-or-remorse... <http://www.catalyst-au.net/blog/git-submodule-misunderstood-beast-or-remorse...> [D] https://www.philosophicalhacker.com/post/using-git-submodules-effectively/ <https://www.philosophicalhacker.com/post/using-git-submodules-effectively/>
And a couple of cautions about using them... [E] http://slopjong.de/2013/06/04/git-why-submodules-are-evil/ <http://slopjong.de/2013/06/04/git-why-submodules-are-evil/> [F] https://rufflewind.com/2017-02-21/quirks-with-submodules <https://rufflewind.com/2017-02-21/quirks-with-submodules>
Guido & Javier, Have you used submodules successfully elsewhere? Could you discuss your strategy using a submodule for the platform code rather than adding directly into the opensmalltalk-vm repository?
I see your parent repository includes opensmalltalk-vm as a submodule similar to how I *thought* Pharo was doing it, but wait on comment from Esteban. . [G] https://github.com/charig/Nopsys <https://github.com/charig/Nopsys> [H] https://github.com/charig/Nopsys/blob/master/.gitmodules <https://github.com/charig/Nopsys/blob/master/.gitmodules> So it seems platforms/Nopsys is a sub-sub-module.
Esteban, I thought that you were using submodules to incorporate opensmalltlak-vm into the pharo-vm, but I can't see a .gitmodules file there. [I] https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm <https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm> So did you do it another way, or am I missing something? Could you report your experience with adding opensmalltalk-vm into the pharo-vm repository?
cheers -ben
Hi, please stop for a while... I want to show you something... <http://forum.world.st/file/n4939230/pharonos.png> Actually it is already done... ----- Save The World! -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/platforms-Nopsys-submodule-tp4939215p4939230.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
This is so cool!!! 2017-03-18 16:30 GMT+01:00 jan.struz <public+pharo@struz.cz>:
Hi, please stop for a while... I want to show you something...
Actually it is already done... Save The World!
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Hi jan this is super cool. Now with the bootstrap of the system as well as the possibility using guille approach to generate smaller image this open a lot of space. stef On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Denis Kudriashov <dionisiydk@gmail.com> wrote:
This is so cool!!!
2017-03-18 16:30 GMT+01:00 jan.struz <public+pharo@struz.cz>:
Hi, please stop for a while... I want to show you something...
Actually it is already done... Save The World!
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Great!!!! Where can we find the code for building the image? 2017-03-18 13:03 GMT-03:00 Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self@gmail.com>:
Hi jan
this is super cool. Now with the bootstrap of the system as well as the possibility using guille approach to generate smaller image this open a lot of space.
stef
On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Denis Kudriashov <dionisiydk@gmail.com> wrote:
This is so cool!!!
2017-03-18 16:30 GMT+01:00 jan.struz <public+pharo@struz.cz>:
Hi, please stop for a while... I want to show you something...
Actually it is already done... Save The World!
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