[Pharo-project] Going Alpha
Hi all I suggest that we go alpha: - we focus on getting the bugs out closure, event, delays - we focus on tests - and mit license changes. - remove bad code tell me what you think Stef
Hi Stef, Sounds good. In my understanding we are already in alpha. Now we would work towards a first beta. That is, a version that is more or less stable and to which no new features are added. Cheers, Adrian On Apr 21, 2009, at 12:59 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Hi all
I suggest that we go alpha: - we focus on getting the bugs out closure, event, delays - we focus on tests - and mit license changes. - remove bad code
tell me what you think Stef
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Ok for me . Let us now target beta. Stef On Apr 21, 2009, at 10:56 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote:
Hi Stef,
Sounds good.
In my understanding we are already in alpha. Now we would work towards a first beta. That is, a version that is more or less stable and to which no new features are added.
Cheers, Adrian
On Apr 21, 2009, at 12:59 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Hi all
I suggest that we go alpha: - we focus on getting the bugs out closure, event, delays - we focus on tests - and mit license changes. - remove bad code
tell me what you think Stef
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On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
Ok for me . Let us now target beta.
Ok. What's the plan to go MIT? -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
Ok for me . Let us now target beta.
Ok. What's the plan to go MIT?
this is still there but who will do it? Stef
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On Apr 22, 2009, at 11:04 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
Ok for me . Let us now target beta.
Ok. What's the plan to go MIT?
this is still there but who will do it?
You did a great job in the last weeks! I'll try to find again a bit more time for Pharo. Marcus also said he will have more time again. And maybe there is somebody else that can help with this task. Can you give instructions what needs to be done (including how to get to the scripts etc. because I don't know)? Adrian
Stef
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I do not remember I will check. And let you know. I contacted also matthew to ask him for a bit of guidance. Stef On Apr 22, 2009, at 11:17 AM, Adrian Lienhard wrote:
On Apr 22, 2009, at 11:04 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
Ok for me . Let us now target beta.
Ok. What's the plan to go MIT?
this is still there but who will do it?
You did a great job in the last weeks!
I'll try to find again a bit more time for Pharo. Marcus also said he will have more time again. And maybe there is somebody else that can help with this task.
Can you give instructions what needs to be done (including how to get to the scripts etc. because I don't know)?
Adrian
Stef
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I have been running the sunits recently for each update or published build. It would be great if more people could do this so that we can seriously get the error list down. Also we should try not to push out updates if they increase the error number. To make comparison easier I was going to publish the baseline results on the wiki to make it easy to see progress. I got stuck when recently the tests did not complete :-) but I think this is a good example of why we should focus in this area. Thanks mike On Wednesday, April 22, 2009, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
I do not remember I will check. And let you know. I contacted also matthew to ask him for a bit of guidance.
Stef
On Apr 22, 2009, at 11:17 AM, Adrian Lienhard wrote:
On Apr 22, 2009, at 11:04 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
Ok for me . Let us now target beta.
Ok. What's the plan to go MIT?
this is still there but who will do it?
You did a great job in the last weeks!
I'll try to find again a bit more time for Pharo. Marcus also said he will have more time again. And maybe there is somebody else that can help with this task.
Can you give instructions what needs to be done (including how to get to the scripts etc. because I don't know)?
Adrian
Stef
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On Apr 22, 2009, at 19:31 , Michael Roberts wrote:
I have been running the sunits recently for each update or published build. It would be great if more people could do this so that we can seriously get the error list down. Also we should try not to push out updates if they increase the error number. To make comparison easier I was going to publish the baseline results on the wiki to make it easy to see progress.
That would be very helpful. Thanks, Adrian
I got stuck when recently the tests did not complete :-) but I think this is a good example of why we should focus in this area. Thanks mike On Wednesday, April 22, 2009, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
I do not remember I will check. And let you know. I contacted also matthew to ask him for a bit of guidance.
Stef
On Apr 22, 2009, at 11:17 AM, Adrian Lienhard wrote:
On Apr 22, 2009, at 11:04 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
Ok for me . Let us now target beta.
Ok. What's the plan to go MIT?
this is still there but who will do it?
You did a great job in the last weeks!
I'll try to find again a bit more time for Pharo. Marcus also said he will have more time again. And maybe there is somebody else that can help with this task.
Can you give instructions what needs to be done (including how to get to the scripts etc. because I don't know)?
Adrian
Stef
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http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/BaselineTestResults This is just a first version I have published. Comments welcome. I have some crude code to produce the wiki syntax from the image. Does anyone mind if I add behaviour to TestRunner & TestResult to do this or should I create a separate PharoWikiExporter class and integrate it? Also it would be convenient for a TestCase to be sortable. Any thoughts on that? I have not made TestCase understand <= yet but it seems verbose not to do so. thanks, Mike
do it We need more regression tools. Stef On Apr 23, 2009, at 1:27 AM, Michael Roberts wrote:
http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/BaselineTestResults
This is just a first version I have published. Comments welcome.
I have some crude code to produce the wiki syntax from the image. Does anyone mind if I add behaviour to TestRunner & TestResult to do this or should I create a separate PharoWikiExporter class and integrate it? Also it would be convenient for a TestCase to be sortable. Any thoughts on that? I have not made TestCase understand <= yet but it seems verbose not to do so.
thanks,
Mike
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wise comment Mike, sebastian
-----Mensaje original----- De: pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] En nombre de Michael Roberts Enviado el: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 14:32 Para: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Asunto: Re: [Pharo-project] Going Alpha
I have been running the sunits recently for each update or published build. It would be great if more people could do this so that we can seriously get the error list down. Also we should try not to push out updates if they increase the error number. To make comparison easier I was going to publish the baseline results on the wiki to make it easy to see progress. I got stuck when recently the tests did not complete :-) but I think this is a good example of why we should focus in this area. Thanks mike On Wednesday, April 22, 2009, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
I do not remember I will check. And let you know. I contacted also matthew to ask him for a bit of guidance.
Stef
On Apr 22, 2009, at 11:17 AM, Adrian Lienhard wrote:
On Apr 22, 2009, at 11:04 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
Ok for me . Let us now target beta.
Ok. What's the plan to go MIT?
this is still there but who will do it?
You did a great job in the last weeks!
I'll try to find again a bit more time for Pharo. Marcus
also said he
will have more time again. And maybe there is somebody else that can help with this task.
Can you give instructions what needs to be done (including how to get to the scripts etc. because I don't know)?
Adrian
Stef
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I agree. But we took the decision to harvest the fix of events because they could rot dramatically. Then removing bad code is also important for the relicensing. The less etoy bookmoprh the less relicensing we have.
I have been running the sunits recently for each update or published build. It would be great if more people could do this so that we can seriously get the error list down. Also we should try not to push out updates if they increase the error number. To make comparison easier I was going to publish the baseline results on the wiki to make it easy to see progress. I got stuck when recently the tests did not complete :-) but I think this is a good example of why we should focus in this area. Thanks mike
for sure don't get me wrong ;-) i'm all for change and we're making great progress. it was just in comment to alpha->beta style discussion. I'm looking forward to us discussing release candidates. that will be cool indeed. mike On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
I agree. But we took the decision to harvest the fix of events because they could rot dramatically. Then removing bad code is also important for the relicensing. The less etoy bookmoprh the less relicensing we have.
I have been running the sunits recently for each update or published build. It would be great if more people could do this so that we can seriously get the error list down. Also we should try not to push out updates if they increase the error number. To make comparison easier I was going to publish the baseline results on the wiki to make it easy to see progress. I got stuck when recently the tests did not complete :-) but I think this is a good example of why we should focus in this area. Thanks mike
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sure no problem I was just explaining :) On Apr 23, 2009, at 11:44 PM, Michael Roberts wrote:
for sure don't get me wrong ;-) i'm all for change and we're making great progress. it was just in comment to alpha->beta style discussion. I'm looking forward to us discussing release candidates. that will be cool indeed.
mike
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
I agree. But we took the decision to harvest the fix of events because they could rot dramatically. Then removing bad code is also important for the relicensing. The less etoy bookmoprh the less relicensing we have.
I have been running the sunits recently for each update or published build. It would be great if more people could do this so that we can seriously get the error list down. Also we should try not to push out updates if they increase the error number. To make comparison easier I was going to publish the baseline results on the wiki to make it easy to see progress. I got stuck when recently the tests did not complete :-) but I think this is a good example of why we should focus in this area. Thanks mike
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On 22.04.2009, at 05:17, Adrian Lienhard wrote:
On Apr 22, 2009, at 11:04 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
Ok for me . Let us now target beta.
Ok. What's the plan to go MIT?
this is still there but who will do it?
You did a great job in the last weeks!
indeed!
I'll try to find again a bit more time for Pharo. Marcus also said he will have more time again.
Yes, I will definitely be more active again soon. It's interesting how much cognitive bandwith is occupied by a move to another culture... Marcus -- Marcus Denker - http://marcusdenker.de PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile
indeed!
I'll try to find again a bit more time for Pharo. Marcus also said he will have more time again.
Yes, I will definitely be more active again soon. It's interesting how much cognitive bandwith is occupied by a move to another culture...
oh yes! excellent experience :) Stef
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 1:30 AM, Marcus Denker <denker@acm.org> wrote:
On 22.04.2009, at 05:17, Adrian Lienhard wrote:
On Apr 22, 2009, at 11:04 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
Ok for me . Let us now target beta.
Ok. What's the plan to go MIT?
this is still there but who will do it?
You did a great job in the last weeks!
indeed!
I'll try to find again a bit more time for Pharo. Marcus also said he will have more time again.
Yes, I will definitely be more active again soon. It's interesting how much cognitive bandwith is occupied by a move to another culture...
I experience the same thing here but it's wonderfull in the end ! -- Serge Stinckwich UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam Smalltalkers do: [:it | All with: Class, (And love: it)] http://doesnotunderstand.org/
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