Hi, So⦠I integrated latest GTools. I did it, but I disagree with the relevance the settings of GSpotter have now⦠I understand you want to collect usage, etc⦠but settings should be in settings panel, not âalways on sightâ. cheers, Esteban
We want to add them to the settings window as well. Doru On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
So⦠I integrated latest GTools. I did it, but I disagree with the relevance the settings of GSpotter have now⦠I understand you want to collect usage, etc⦠but settings should be in settings panel, not âalways on sightâ.
cheers, Esteban
-- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"
On 09 Mar 2015, at 17:13, Tudor Girba <tudor@tudorgirba.com> wrote:
We want to add them to the settings window as well.
is the âas wellâ part what does not convinces me: it goes *just* in the settings window, I think :P
Doru
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com <mailto:estebanlm@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi,
So⦠I integrated latest GTools. I did it, but I disagree with the relevance the settings of GSpotter have now⦠I understand you want to collect usage, etc⦠but settings should be in settings panel, not âalways on sightâ.
cheers, Esteban
-- www.tudorgirba.com <http://www.tudorgirba.com/>
"Every thing has its own flow"
Hi, Thanks for integrating :) If settings are just in the Settings Browser very few people will go there and enable them. (Even if I use Pharo a lot I'm still not aware of most settings that I can set in the Settings Browser) Also always showing pop-ups to tell you that you can share enable sending of usage data is kind of annoying. Adding a settings button in the toolbar of spotter seemed like a good compromised. Agree/disagree? :) Cheers, Andrei On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote:
On 09 Mar 2015, at 17:13, Tudor Girba <tudor@tudorgirba.com> wrote:
We want to add them to the settings window as well.
is the âas wellâ part what does not convinces me: it goes *just* in the settings window, I think :P
Doru
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
So⦠I integrated latest GTools. I did it, but I disagree with the relevance the settings of GSpotter have now⦠I understand you want to collect usage, etc⦠but settings should be in settings panel, not âalways on sightâ.
cheers, Esteban
-- www.tudorgirba.com
"Every thing has its own flow"
I don't mind the small 'Cog' icon, but maybe it should open the real 'Settings Browser', open on the right place, selecting the right setting, maybe on top of what is there.
On 09 Mar 2015, at 18:21, Andrei Chis <chisvasileandrei@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Thanks for integrating :)
If settings are just in the Settings Browser very few people will go there and enable them. (Even if I use Pharo a lot I'm still not aware of most settings that I can set in the Settings Browser) Also always showing pop-ups to tell you that you can share enable sending of usage data is kind of annoying. Adding a settings button in the toolbar of spotter seemed like a good compromised.
Agree/disagree? :)
Cheers, Andrei
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote:
On 09 Mar 2015, at 17:13, Tudor Girba <tudor@tudorgirba.com> wrote:
We want to add them to the settings window as well.
is the âas wellâ part what does not convinces me: it goes *just* in the settings window, I think :P
Doru
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote: Hi,
So⦠I integrated latest GTools. I did it, but I disagree with the relevance the settings of GSpotter have now⦠I understand you want to collect usage, etc⦠but settings should be in settings panel, not âalways on sightâ.
cheers, Esteban
-- www.tudorgirba.com
"Every thing has its own flow"
Opening another window leads to a strange workflow as it will have to close spotter; that can be quite unexpected. What about having a small 'Open in Setting Browser' link/button at the button of the UI? Cheers, Andrei On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 6:26 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven@stfx.eu> wrote:
I don't mind the small 'Cog' icon, but maybe it should open the real 'Settings Browser', open on the right place, selecting the right setting, maybe on top of what is there.
On 09 Mar 2015, at 18:21, Andrei Chis <chisvasileandrei@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Thanks for integrating :)
If settings are just in the Settings Browser very few people will go there and enable them. (Even if I use Pharo a lot I'm still not aware of most settings that I can set in the Settings Browser) Also always showing pop-ups to tell you that you can share enable sending of usage data is kind of annoying. Adding a settings button in the toolbar of spotter seemed like a good compromised.
Agree/disagree? :)
Cheers, Andrei
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote:
On 09 Mar 2015, at 17:13, Tudor Girba <tudor@tudorgirba.com> wrote:
We want to add them to the settings window as well.
is the âas wellâ part what does not convinces me: it goes *just* in the settings window, I think :P
Doru
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi,
So⦠I integrated latest GTools. I did it, but I disagree with the relevance the settings of GSpotter have now⦠I understand you want to collect usage, etc⦠but settings should be in settings panel, not âalways on sightâ.
cheers, Esteban
-- www.tudorgirba.com
"Every thing has its own flow"
Hi, If I understand well, saved preferences in Settings Browser are loaded to an image as startup by default. Do you agree that pressing âMake default for all imagesâ¦â button in Spotter will trigger the same action âExport Settingsâ in Settings Browser? It means all system settings will be shared between images. Cheers, Juraj
9. 3. 2015 v 14:26, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven@stfx.eu>:
I don't mind the small 'Cog' icon, but maybe it should open the real 'Settings Browser', open on the right place, selecting the right setting, maybe on top of what is there.
On 09 Mar 2015, at 18:21, Andrei Chis <chisvasileandrei@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Thanks for integrating :)
If settings are just in the Settings Browser very few people will go there and enable them. (Even if I use Pharo a lot I'm still not aware of most settings that I can set in the Settings Browser) Also always showing pop-ups to tell you that you can share enable sending of usage data is kind of annoying. Adding a settings button in the toolbar of spotter seemed like a good compromised.
Agree/disagree? :)
Cheers, Andrei
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote:
On 09 Mar 2015, at 17:13, Tudor Girba <tudor@tudorgirba.com> wrote:
We want to add them to the settings window as well.
is the âas wellâ part what does not convinces me: it goes *just* in the settings window, I think :P
Doru
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote: Hi,
So⦠I integrated latest GTools. I did it, but I disagree with the relevance the settings of GSpotter have now⦠I understand you want to collect usage, etc⦠but settings should be in settings panel, not âalways on sightâ.
cheers, Esteban
-- www.tudorgirba.com
"Every thing has its own flow"
No, for me, the global things goes too far. Allowing it in the current image is one thing, making that true for every image is a whole other thing. And there should not be the side effect of exporting all other settings. But I am not familiar with how settings are persisted and/or used in more than one image. For me, an image stands on its own, is its own world.
On 09 Mar 2015, at 20:42, Juraj Kubelka <juraj.kubelka@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
If I understand well, saved preferences in Settings Browser are loaded to an image as startup by default. Do you agree that pressing âMake default for all imagesâ¦â button in Spotter will trigger the same action âExport Settingsâ in Settings Browser? It means all system settings will be shared between images.
Cheers, Juraj
9. 3. 2015 v 14:26, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven@stfx.eu>:
I don't mind the small 'Cog' icon, but maybe it should open the real 'Settings Browser', open on the right place, selecting the right setting, maybe on top of what is there.
On 09 Mar 2015, at 18:21, Andrei Chis <chisvasileandrei@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Thanks for integrating :)
If settings are just in the Settings Browser very few people will go there and enable them. (Even if I use Pharo a lot I'm still not aware of most settings that I can set in the Settings Browser) Also always showing pop-ups to tell you that you can share enable sending of usage data is kind of annoying. Adding a settings button in the toolbar of spotter seemed like a good compromised.
Agree/disagree? :)
Cheers, Andrei
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote:
On 09 Mar 2015, at 17:13, Tudor Girba <tudor@tudorgirba.com> wrote:
We want to add them to the settings window as well.
is the âas wellâ part what does not convinces me: it goes *just* in the settings window, I think :P
Doru
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote: Hi,
So⦠I integrated latest GTools. I did it, but I disagree with the relevance the settings of GSpotter have now⦠I understand you want to collect usage, etc⦠but settings should be in settings panel, not âalways on sightâ.
cheers, Esteban
-- www.tudorgirba.com
"Every thing has its own flow"
9. 3. 2015 v 16:55, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven@stfx.eu>:
No, for me, the global things goes too far.
OK. This is what I suppose.
Allowing it in the current image is one thing, making that true for every image is a whole other thing. And there should not be the side effect of exporting all other settings.
Well, if you only click on the check box âSend anonymous usage dataâ, it is kept in the image. If you press âMake default for allâ¦â it is stored globally and loaded to every new image (= does not have settings in the image) someone starts.
But I am not familiar with how settings are persisted and/or used in more than one image. For me, an image stands on its own, is its own world.
Once you press âExport allâ it is stored on your disk and loaded on every image start. See âAllow the preferences to be loaded at startupâ. So, in order to not having side effects, we do not include the preference âSend anonymous usage data" in Settings Browser. Do you agree or do you still prefer having it in Settings Browser? Cheers, Juraj
On 09 Mar 2015, at 20:42, Juraj Kubelka <juraj.kubelka@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
If I understand well, saved preferences in Settings Browser are loaded to an image as startup by default. Do you agree that pressing âMake default for all imagesâ¦â button in Spotter will trigger the same action âExport Settingsâ in Settings Browser? It means all system settings will be shared between images.
Cheers, Juraj
9. 3. 2015 v 14:26, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven@stfx.eu>:
I don't mind the small 'Cog' icon, but maybe it should open the real 'Settings Browser', open on the right place, selecting the right setting, maybe on top of what is there.
On 09 Mar 2015, at 18:21, Andrei Chis <chisvasileandrei@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Thanks for integrating :)
If settings are just in the Settings Browser very few people will go there and enable them. (Even if I use Pharo a lot I'm still not aware of most settings that I can set in the Settings Browser) Also always showing pop-ups to tell you that you can share enable sending of usage data is kind of annoying. Adding a settings button in the toolbar of spotter seemed like a good compromised.
Agree/disagree? :)
Cheers, Andrei
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote:
On 09 Mar 2015, at 17:13, Tudor Girba <tudor@tudorgirba.com> wrote:
We want to add them to the settings window as well.
is the âas wellâ part what does not convinces me: it goes *just* in the settings window, I think :P
Doru
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote: Hi,
So⦠I integrated latest GTools. I did it, but I disagree with the relevance the settings of GSpotter have now⦠I understand you want to collect usage, etc⦠but settings should be in settings panel, not âalways on sightâ.
cheers, Esteban
-- www.tudorgirba.com
"Every thing has its own flow"
On 09 Mar 2015, at 18:21, Andrei Chis <chisvasileandrei@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Thanks for integrating :)
If settings are just in the Settings Browser very few people will go there and enable them. (Even if I use Pharo a lot I'm still not aware of most settings that I can set in the Settings Browser) Also always showing pop-ups to tell you that you can share enable sending of usage data is kind of annoying. Adding a settings button in the toolbar of spotter seemed like a good compromised.
Agree/disagree? :)
disagree :) here the reason: everybody can think their settings deserve better exposition, and then add a way to change the L&F to add a settings option. that will break inner coherence of Pharo. and we need to think *all tools* in pharo as one unique IDE⦠it has to be coherent. your little cog breaks coherence. I admit we need to do a pass on Settings browser to group better, explain better and remove unnecessary stuff⦠maybe on Pharo5 we will find the time. In the mean time, even without this argument (which I believe is already enough): giving such relevance to an option you will use just once is not good GUI design, sorry :) Esteban
Cheers, Andrei
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com <mailto:estebanlm@gmail.com>> wrote:
On 09 Mar 2015, at 17:13, Tudor Girba <tudor@tudorgirba.com <mailto:tudor@tudorgirba.com>> wrote:
We want to add them to the settings window as well.
is the âas wellâ part what does not convinces me: it goes *just* in the settings window, I think :P
Doru
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com <mailto:estebanlm@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi,
So⦠I integrated latest GTools. I did it, but I disagree with the relevance the settings of GSpotter have now⦠I understand you want to collect usage, etc⦠but settings should be in settings panel, not âalways on sightâ.
cheers, Esteban
-- www.tudorgirba.com <http://www.tudorgirba.com/>
"Every thing has its own flow"
EstebanLM wrote
giving such relevance to an option you will use just once is not good GUI design, sorry :)
How about an DoIt and description in "Welcome to Pharo 4.0!" or a separate window to make it more prominent? Or maybe the button on the Playground could be a radio with no value that disappears when set either way? Remember we're Blue Plane; we don't have to choose between existing options only ;) ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/latest-GTools-settings-tp4810715p4810896.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
A message in the top of the tool saying something like âHey, looks like is the first time you use Spotter. Please go to settings [BUTTON] to customise your experienceâ (message that disapear after you press the button) would be a good solution, IMO. Esteban
On 10 Mar 2015, at 12:12, Sean P. DeNigris <sean@clipperadams.com> wrote:
EstebanLM wrote
giving such relevance to an option you will use just once is not good GUI design, sorry :)
How about an DoIt and description in "Welcome to Pharo 4.0!" or a separate window to make it more prominent? Or maybe the button on the Playground could be a radio with no value that disappears when set either way? Remember we're Blue Plane; we don't have to choose between existing options only ;)
----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/latest-GTools-settings-tp4810715p4810896.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote:
A message in the top of the tool saying something like âHey, looks like is the first time you use Spotter. Please go to settings [BUTTON] to customise your experienceâ (message that disapear after you press the button) would be a good solution, IMO.
This can work, but still the message that we want to pass as soon as you open spotter is that one of the settings is for enabling sending of usage data (yes we want data :) ), otherwise there is no point in having a recorder for usage data. What about the first time you open spotter in a new image we display at the top of spotter a UI showing a message like the one that you said + plus the checkbox for enabling sending of usage data. When you set a setting or close that UI it goes away :) Cheers, Andrei
Esteban
On 10 Mar 2015, at 12:12, Sean P. DeNigris <sean@clipperadams.com> wrote:
EstebanLM wrote
giving such relevance to an option you will use just once is not good GUI design, sorry :)
How about an DoIt and description in "Welcome to Pharo 4.0!" or a separate window to make it more prominent? Or maybe the button on the Playground could be a radio with no value that disappears when set either way? Remember we're Blue Plane; we don't have to choose between existing options only ;)
----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/latest-GTools-settings-tp4810715p4810896.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Until this conversation started I had no idea that you can actually persist the settings in the Setting browser using the 'Export settings' button so that they will be loaded by default in your other images. And I've been using Pharo for some time :) disagree :)
here the reason: everybody can think their settings deserve better exposition, and then add a way to change the L&F to add a settings option.
I still view some settings as more special then the others, especially those that send data out of your image.
that will break inner coherence of Pharo. and we need to think *all tools* in pharo as one unique IDE⦠it has to be coherent. your little cog breaks coherence.
Very few things in the current spotter UI are coherent with any other tool from Pharo :) Yes, the fast that we do not store this setting using the normal settings mechanism it's a bug that should be fixed.
I admit we need to do a pass on Settings browser to group better, explain better and remove unnecessary stuff⦠maybe on Pharo5 we will find the time.
For Pharo 5 maybe we can move in the opposite direction. Why not move the settings closed to the tools then separate them in the Settings Browser? Cheers, Andrei
On 10 Mar 2015, at 14:05, Andrei Chis <chisvasileandrei@gmail.com> wrote:
Until this conversation started I had no idea that you can actually persist the settings in the Setting browser using the 'Export settings' button so that they will be loaded by default in your other images. And I've been using Pharo for some time :)
disagree :) here the reason: everybody can think their settings deserve better exposition, and then add a way to change the L&F to add a settings option.
I still view some settings as more special then the others, especially those that send data out of your image.
you can ask that in a special sentence, like the âgo to settingsâ recommendation. That wouldnât break anything (you can take the opportunity to explain why you want the data⦠otherwise natural tendency will be to deny it anyway :)
that will break inner coherence of Pharo. and we need to think *all tools* in pharo as one unique IDE⦠it has to be coherent. your little cog breaks coherence.
Very few things in the current spotter UI are coherent with any other tool from Pharo :)
you know that you are not helping your case, isnât? ;) Spotter is a particular tool⦠but its particularities does not allow it to break anythingâ¦
Yes, the fast that we do not store this setting using the normal settings mechanism it's a bug that should be fixed.
I admit we need to do a pass on Settings browser to group better, explain better and remove unnecessary stuff⦠maybe on Pharo5 we will find the time.
For Pharo 5 maybe we can move in the opposite direction. Why not move the settings closed to the tools then separate them in the Settings Browser?
well⦠we need to discuss it. In particular, I like the vision of one IDE, not separated tools. And I would like a good âcontrol centerâ more than many separated and probably incoherent (but certainly harder to maintain) options. but again⦠for Pharo5 Iâm open to a discussion⦠not for Pharo4 :) Esteban
Cheers, Andrei
Hi Esteban, I think we should invoke coherence when it makes sense :). I agree that when people are searching for settings they should expect to find them in the Settings browser. This makes sense. But, why is it a good choice to have settings removed from the tool they are about? I think it's not necessarily so clear cut. I think it would make perfect sense to have settings scoped to a certain context (which you can already do with the Settings Browser), but I would not want these contextual settings to be in a window of their own. That is why we invested in having this floating window that disappears when you click away. Also, in the current case there is an extra reason. As also pointed out by Andrei, we are talking about the data of people. This is sensitive and the status of the uploading should be as apparent as possible to keep people informed. The other thing to notice is that Spotter is different than anything else in Pharo. I think that should not be held against it :). That does not mean that everything about it is perfect either. I simply say that if we want the future to conform with what we have now, it's not necessarily a good policy. Cheers, Doru On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Andrei Chis <chisvasileandrei@gmail.com> wrote:
Until this conversation started I had no idea that you can actually persist the settings in the Setting browser using the 'Export settings' button so that they will be loaded by default in your other images. And I've been using Pharo for some time :)
disagree :)
here the reason: everybody can think their settings deserve better exposition, and then add a way to change the L&F to add a settings option.
I still view some settings as more special then the others, especially those that send data out of your image.
that will break inner coherence of Pharo. and we need to think *all tools* in pharo as one unique IDE⦠it has to be coherent. your little cog breaks coherence.
Very few things in the current spotter UI are coherent with any other tool from Pharo :) Yes, the fast that we do not store this setting using the normal settings mechanism it's a bug that should be fixed.
I admit we need to do a pass on Settings browser to group better, explain better and remove unnecessary stuff⦠maybe on Pharo5 we will find the time.
For Pharo 5 maybe we can move in the opposite direction. Why not move the settings closed to the tools then separate them in the Settings Browser?
Cheers, Andrei
-- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"
I think having the settings-icon there on the tool is okay & intuitive, but I agree with Esteban in that clicking that icon should open the standard settings browser. Perhaps you limit it to show only settings related to that tool, like is done in PharoLauncher. Privacy concerns are important. More important is a users "perception" that you are not trying to do things behind their back. The data collection setting could be made prominent by being the first setting, and have a description advising how to save the setting. It would be good if the state of data collection could be indicated on setting-icon. A little up-arrow on it when data collection is enabled would not be too intrusive. cheers -ben On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 9:54 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor@tudorgirba.com> wrote:
Hi Esteban,
I think we should invoke coherence when it makes sense :).
I agree that when people are searching for settings they should expect to find them in the Settings browser. This makes sense.
But, why is it a good choice to have settings removed from the tool they are about? I think it's not necessarily so clear cut. I think it would make perfect sense to have settings scoped to a certain context (which you can already do with the Settings Browser), but I would not want these contextual settings to be in a window of their own. That is why we invested in having this floating window that disappears when you click away.
Also, in the current case there is an extra reason. As also pointed out by Andrei, we are talking about the data of people. This is sensitive and the status of the uploading should be as apparent as possible to keep people informed.
The other thing to notice is that Spotter is different than anything else in Pharo. I think that should not be held against it :). That does not mean that everything about it is perfect either. I simply say that if we want the future to conform with what we have now, it's not necessarily a good policy.
Cheers, Doru
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Andrei Chis <chisvasileandrei@gmail.com> wrote:
Until this conversation started I had no idea that you can actually persist the settings in the Setting browser using the 'Export settings' button so that they will be loaded by default in your other images. And I've been using Pharo for some time :)
disagree :)
here the reason: everybody can think their settings deserve better exposition, and then add a way to change the L&F to add a settings option.
I still view some settings as more special then the others, especially those that send data out of your image.
that will break inner coherence of Pharo. and we need to think *all tools* in pharo as one unique IDE⦠it has to be coherent. your little cog breaks coherence.
Very few things in the current spotter UI are coherent with any other tool from Pharo :) Yes, the fast that we do not store this setting using the normal settings mechanism it's a bug that should be fixed.
I admit we need to do a pass on Settings browser to group better, explain better and remove unnecessary stuff⦠maybe on Pharo5 we will find the time.
For Pharo 5 maybe we can move in the opposite direction. Why not move the settings closed to the tools then separate them in the Settings Browser?
Cheers, Andrei
-- www.tudorgirba.com
"Every thing has its own flow"
On Mar 10, 2015, at 9:45 AM, Tudor Girba-2 [via Smalltalk] <ml-node+s1294792n4810982h30@n4.nabble.com> wrote:
Also, in the current case there is an extra reason. As also pointed out by Andrei, we are talking about the data of people. This is sensitive and the status of the uploading should be as apparent as possible to keep people informed. I like the on-tool-setting-that-disappears-after-first-use idea, and users will be familiar with it, because most software that collects data, as the last step of installation, pops up a dialog asking the user to participate.
Itâs a systems psychology problem - we want people to participate without forcing/tricking them. If itâs "just another setting" in the settings browser, even the first in the GT group, they will likely gloss over it and participation will be low. If itâs always right on the front of the tool, it could disrupt the uniformity of the UI. So we need a notification that is both temporary and stands out so users canât miss it. ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/latest-GTools-settings-tp4810715p4811011.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Why everything is not simple. There is nice setting browser. Why do we need to have other mechanisms. Why just spotter and not all the other tools. Can we do something simple and consistent? Stef
Hi, The settings will be in the Settings Browser. It's a bug that it's not there yet and it will be fixed until the release. But, the same settings are also accessible from the Spotter UI as it relates to data being uploaded and people should be able to learn quickly if their data is being shared or not and not have to dig to find that information out. Cheers, Doru On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:28 PM, stepharo <stepharo@free.fr> wrote:
Why everything is not simple. There is nice setting browser. Why do we need to have other mechanisms. Why just spotter and not all the other tools. Can we do something simple and consistent?
Stef
-- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"
I opened an issue: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/15104/Spotter-settings-should-also-appear-... Cheers, Doru On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 11:01 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor@tudorgirba.com> wrote:
Hi,
The settings will be in the Settings Browser. It's a bug that it's not there yet and it will be fixed until the release.
But, the same settings are also accessible from the Spotter UI as it relates to data being uploaded and people should be able to learn quickly if their data is being shared or not and not have to dig to find that information out.
Cheers, Doru
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:28 PM, stepharo <stepharo@free.fr> wrote:
Why everything is not simple. There is nice setting browser. Why do we need to have other mechanisms. Why just spotter and not all the other tools. Can we do something simple and consistent?
Stef
-- www.tudorgirba.com
"Every thing has its own flow"
-- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"
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