[Pharo-project] testing the linux vm of pharo-project
Hi bill can you let us know if the linux VM pointed to on the web site is working (normally it should not since it should be preclosure). Stef
Stef, No problem. Are you referring to 3.11-3? Is there anything in particular that I should try? The image loads and saves, some randomly selected tests pass the (the weak inspector test case is not happy). The nice fonts do not work, but they do with the same image and 0.15.2f Pharo vm. Bill -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Stéphane Ducasse Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 4:40 PM To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Development Subject: [Pharo-project] testing the linux vm of pharo-project Hi bill can you let us know if the linux VM pointed to on the web site is working (normally it should not since it should be preclosure). Stef _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
I'mrefering to the one mentioned on the public pharo-project.org web page On Jan 19, 2010, at 12:55 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
Stef,
No problem. Are you referring to 3.11-3? Is there anything in particular that I should try? The image loads and saves, some randomly selected tests pass the (the weak inspector test case is not happy).
The nice fonts do not work, but they do with the same image and 0.15.2f Pharo vm.
Bill
-----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Stéphane Ducasse Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 4:40 PM To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Development Subject: [Pharo-project] testing the linux vm of pharo-project
Hi bill
can you let us know if the linux VM pointed to on the web site is working (normally it should not since it should be preclosure).
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Both works on my machine using Pharo 10.01.1 image, but fonts are ugly with 0.15.2f Pharo vm Laurent On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Stéphane Ducasse < stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
I'mrefering to the one mentioned on the public pharo-project.org web page
On Jan 19, 2010, at 12:55 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
Stef,
No problem. Are you referring to 3.11-3? Is there anything in particular that I should try? The image loads and saves, some randomly selected tests pass the (the weak inspector test case is not happy).
The nice fonts do not work, but they do with the same image and 0.15.2f Pharo vm.
Bill
-----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto: pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Stéphane Ducasse Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 4:40 PM To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Development Subject: [Pharo-project] testing the linux vm of pharo-project
Hi bill
can you let us know if the linux VM pointed to on the web site is working (normally it should not since it should be preclosure).
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2010/1/19 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont@gmail.com>
Both works on my machine using Pharo 10.01.1 image, but fonts are ugly with 0.15.2f Pharo vm
Good. It means that both are closure enable but 0.15.2f Pharo vm has not compiled the TrueType plugin, thus, Dev images will look ugly. I would remove this link from website if the other one is working ok.
Laurent
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Stéphane Ducasse < stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
I'mrefering to the one mentioned on the public pharo-project.org web page
On Jan 19, 2010, at 12:55 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
Stef,
No problem. Are you referring to 3.11-3? Is there anything in particular that I should try? The image loads and saves, some randomly selected tests pass the (the weak inspector test case is not happy).
The nice fonts do not work, but they do with the same image and 0.15.2f Pharo vm.
Bill
-----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto: pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Stéphane Ducasse Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 4:40 PM To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Development Subject: [Pharo-project] testing the linux vm of pharo-project
Hi bill
can you let us know if the linux VM pointed to on the web site is working (normally it should not since it should be preclosure).
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2010/1/19 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck@gmail.com>:
2010/1/19 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont@gmail.com>
Both works on my machine using Pharo 10.01.1 image, but fonts are ugly with 0.15.2f Pharo vm
Good. It means that both are closure enable but 0.15.2f Pharo vm has not compiled the TrueType plugin, thus, Dev images will look ugly.
I would remove this link from website if the other one is working ok.
No, no, please!!! I thought this vm (0.15.2f) contains FreeType plugin (is that what you meant by TrueType plugin) and standard unix vm doesn't. I may be wrong here but I use it on Ubuntu 9.10 and it looks very well (though I tried it with an elder image 09.11.3, I think).
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 1:36 PM, George Herolyants < george.herolyants@gmail.com> wrote:
2010/1/19 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck@gmail.com>:
2010/1/19 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont@gmail.com>
Both works on my machine using Pharo 10.01.1 image, but fonts are ugly with 0.15.2f Pharo vm
Good. It means that both are closure enable but 0.15.2f Pharo vm has not compiled the TrueType plugin, thus, Dev images will look ugly.
I would remove this link from website if the other one is working ok.
No, no, please!!! I thought this vm (0.15.2f) contains FreeType plugin (is that what you meant by TrueType plugin) and standard unix vm doesn't. I may be wrong here but I use it on Ubuntu 9.10 and it looks very well (though I tried it with an elder image 09.11.3, I think).
I'm getting crazy. You are saying to opposite to Laurent. I think 09.11.3 has the StrikeFonts, not TrueType. Can you pleas try the Beta Dev image I prepared ? (that image has truetype) and let as know the results? https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/25156/pharo1.0-10505-rc1dev10.01.1.... Thanks Mariano
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2010/1/19 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck@gmail.com>:
I'm getting crazy. You are saying to opposite to Laurent. I think 09.11.3 has the StrikeFonts, not TrueType. Yes, it has by default, but I use TrueType.
Can you pleas try the Beta Dev image I prepared ? (that image has truetype) and let as know the results?
https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/25156/pharo1.0-10505-rc1dev10.01.1....
Ok. I'll try it.
We have discussed it before: http://n2.nabble.com/New-pharo-images-td4125021.html#a4125467 http://n2.nabble.com/Dev09-12-1-does-not-look-nice-on-Linux-td4132813.html Laurent On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 1:44 PM, George Herolyants < george.herolyants@gmail.com> wrote:
2010/1/19 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck@gmail.com>:
I'm getting crazy. You are saying to opposite to Laurent. I think 09.11.3 has the StrikeFonts, not TrueType. Yes, it has by default, but I use TrueType.
Can you pleas try the Beta Dev image I prepared ? (that image has truetype) and let as know the results?
https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/25156/pharo1.0-10505-rc1dev10.01.1....
Ok. I'll try it.
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So, here are the results (see attachments). On the background of each pharo screenshot you can see the version number of the vm, and command line I used to run pharo image with this vm. As you can see results are far better for the pharo-exupery-linux-vm (which means 0.15.2f), because it has FTPlugin compiled, and squeak-unix-vm (which means 3.11.3-2135) hasn't.
Ok...so: pharo exupery vm as FTPlugin compiled and 3.11. doesn't. And both are closure-enable. Does someone have a compiled squeak-unix-vm with FTPlugin ? because otherwise, I think I would rather to put again Exupery as the default one. Opinions? 2010/1/19 George Herolyants <george.herolyants@gmail.com>
So, here are the results (see attachments). On the background of each pharo screenshot you can see the version number of the vm, and command line I used to run pharo image with this vm. As you can see results are far better for the pharo-exupery-linux-vm (which means 0.15.2f), because it has FTPlugin compiled, and squeak-unix-vm (which means 3.11.3-2135) hasn't.
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How do you compile FTPlugin in squeak 3.11 ? Laurent 2010/1/19 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck@gmail.com>
Ok...so: pharo exupery vm as FTPlugin compiled and 3.11. doesn't. And both are closure-enable.
Does someone have a compiled squeak-unix-vm with FTPlugin ? because otherwise, I think I would rather to put again Exupery as the default one.
Opinions?
2010/1/19 George Herolyants <george.herolyants@gmail.com>
So, here are the results (see attachments). On the background of each pharo screenshot you can see the version number of the vm, and command line I used to run pharo image with this vm. As you can see results are far better for the pharo-exupery-linux-vm (which means 0.15.2f), because it has FTPlugin compiled, and squeak-unix-vm (which means 3.11.3-2135) hasn't.
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I don't know. The ideal will be to ask Squeak people for a Squeak-3.11.3.2135 with FTPlugin compiled. In the meanwhile, I will then put exupery are original and that one as alternative. What do you think ? 2010/1/19 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont@gmail.com>
How do you compile FTPlugin in squeak 3.11 ?
Laurent
2010/1/19 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck@gmail.com>
Ok...so: pharo exupery vm as FTPlugin compiled and 3.11. doesn't. And both are closure-enable.
Does someone have a compiled squeak-unix-vm with FTPlugin ? because otherwise, I think I would rather to put again Exupery as the default one.
Opinions?
2010/1/19 George Herolyants <george.herolyants@gmail.com>
So, here are the results (see attachments). On the background of each pharo screenshot you can see the version number of the vm, and command line I used to run pharo image with this vm. As you can see results are far better for the pharo-exupery-linux-vm (which means 0.15.2f), because it has FTPlugin compiled, and squeak-unix-vm (which means 3.11.3-2135) hasn't.
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Some thoughts: In the Linux world it's better to have the source code first, and compiled version for convenience. For squeak-3.11 there's the source code and it's easy to build following instructions included in the README. It's clean. For exupery-vm several people have already asked for source code on this list to create packages for their favorite distrib. Furthermore the binary is named squeak, not pharo-vm or whatever.... not really cool. Lot of garbage in the archive. Exupery vm for windows is cleaner (but contains one file called Squeak.exe ;) ). Why on Mac it's squeak 4.2.2 b1, on windows/linux squeak 3.11 ? I suppose there's an influence on unit tests / performance / .... Finally I don't know why there's an "alternative" download ... I think the alternative stuff should be on the wiki, not on the basic download page. Cheers, Laurent 2010/1/19 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck@gmail.com>
I don't know. The ideal will be to ask Squeak people for a Squeak-3.11.3.2135 with FTPlugin compiled.
In the meanwhile, I will then put exupery are original and that one as alternative. What do you think ?
2010/1/19 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont@gmail.com>
How do you compile FTPlugin in squeak 3.11 ?
Laurent
2010/1/19 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck@gmail.com>
Ok...so: pharo exupery vm as FTPlugin compiled and 3.11. doesn't. And both are closure-enable.
Does someone have a compiled squeak-unix-vm with FTPlugin ? because otherwise, I think I would rather to put again Exupery as the default one.
Opinions?
2010/1/19 George Herolyants <george.herolyants@gmail.com>
So, here are the results (see attachments). On the background of each pharo screenshot you can see the version number of the vm, and command line I used to run pharo image with this vm. As you can see results are far better for the pharo-exupery-linux-vm (which means 0.15.2f), because it has FTPlugin compiled, and squeak-unix-vm (which means 3.11.3-2135) hasn't.
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On Jan 19, 2010, at 3:52 05PM, laurent laffont wrote:
Some thoughts:
In the Linux world it's better to have the source code first, and compiled version for convenience.
For squeak-3.11 there's the source code and it's easy to build following instructions included in the README. It's clean.
For exupery-vm several people have already asked for source code on this list to create packages for their favorite distrib. Furthermore the binary is named squeak, not pharo-vm or whatever.... not really cool. Lot of garbage in the archive. Exupery vm for windows is cleaner (but contains one file called Squeak.exe ;) ).
Why on Mac it's squeak 4.2.2 b1, on windows/linux squeak 3.11 ? I suppose there's an influence on unit tests / performance / ....
John's Mac VM's major version number were bumped to 4 when closures where added, partly because it breaks some backwards-compatability. See recent vmdev discussion about issues running 2.5-based Scratch images for some more details According to the mentioned discussion, the unix major version might have been increased too, had the author picked up on it.
Finally I don't know why there's an "alternative" download ... I think the alternative stuff should be on the wiki, not on the basic download page.
Historical reasons. The Exupery VM provided unix/windows builds with closure bytecodes in october 2008, while the official VM's lagged behind. The windows version was updated not too far behind, but a unix release for closures wasn't made until august 09. At the time, the exupery VM also included some other fixes not found in the official releases, I can't say I know the status of those at this moment though. Cheers, Henry
I think that presently the motto is "first is better to have the package for your distro, then..." Just my 0.01999... -- Cesar Rabak GNU/Linux User 52247. Get counted: http://counter.li.org/ Em 19/01/2010 12:52, laurent laffont < laurent.laffont@gmail.com > escreveu: Some thoughts: In the Linux world it's better to have the source code first, and compiled version for convenience. For squeak-3.11 there's the source code and it's easy to build following instructions included in the README. It's clean. For exupery-vm several people have already asked for source code on this list to create packages for their favorite distrib.  Furthermore the binary is named squeak, not pharo-vm or whatever.... not really cool. Lot of garbage in the archive. Exupery vm for windows is cleaner (but contains one file called Squeak.exe ;) ). Why on Mac it's squeak 4.2.2 b1, on windows/linux squeak 3.11 ? I suppose there's an influence on unit tests / performance / .... Finally I don't know why there's an "alternative" download ... I think the alternative stuff should be on the wiki, not on the basic download page. Cheers, Laurent 2010/1/19 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck@gmail.com> I don't know. The ideal will be to ask Squeak people for a Squeak-3.11.3.2135 with FTPlugin compiled. In the meanwhile, I will then put exupery are original and that one as alternative. What do you think ? 2010/1/19 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont@gmail.com> How do you compile FTPlugin in squeak 3.11  ? Laurent 2010/1/19 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck@gmail.com> Ok...so: pharo exupery vm as FTPlugin compiled and 3.11. doesn't. And both are closure-enable. Does someone have a compiled squeak-unix-vm with FTPlugin ? because otherwise, I think I would rather to put again Exupery as the default one. Opinions? 2010/1/19 George Herolyants <george.herolyants@gmail.com> So, here are the results (see attachments). On the background of each pharo screenshot you can see the version number of the vm, and command line I used to run pharo image with this vm. As you can see results are far better for the pharo-exupery-linux-vm (which means 0.15.2f), because it has FTPlugin compiled, and squeak-unix-vm (which means 3.11.3-2135) hasn't. _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
There are Linux users who won't touch binaries. I'm not one of them, though I do have some standards - one might say I spook easily. For something as bleeding edge as Pharo, I would not expect to get away with apt-get. Even if Pharo were installed complete with an entry in a gnome menu, I would still end up creating my own shell scripts and menu entries to load specific images with specific vms. What I would like is source for whatever vm we recommend using. I would also like an Alien plugin, the absence of which only serves to increase my interest in the source. Bill -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of csrabak@bol.com.br Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 2:39 PM To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] testing the linux vm of pharo-project I think that presently the motto is "first is better to have the package for your distro, then..." Just my 0.01999... -- Cesar Rabak GNU/Linux User 52247. Get counted: http://counter.li.org/ Em 19/01/2010 12:52, laurent laffont < laurent.laffont@gmail.com > escreveu: Some thoughts: In the Linux world it's better to have the source code first, and compiled version for convenience. For squeak-3.11 there's the source code and it's easy to build following instructions included in the README. It's clean. For exupery-vm several people have already asked for source code on this list to create packages for their favorite distrib.  Furthermore the binary is named squeak, not pharo-vm or whatever.... not really cool. Lot of garbage in the archive. Exupery vm for windows is cleaner (but contains one file called Squeak.exe ;) ). Why on Mac it's squeak 4.2.2 b1, on windows/linux squeak 3.11 ? I suppose there's an influence on unit tests / performance / .... Finally I don't know why there's an "alternative" download ... I think the alternative stuff should be on the wiki, not on the basic download page. Cheers, Laurent 2010/1/19 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck@gmail.com> I don't know. The ideal will be to ask Squeak people for a Squeak-3.11.3.2135 with FTPlugin compiled. In the meanwhile, I will then put exupery are original and that one as alternative. What do you think ? 2010/1/19 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont@gmail.com> How do you compile FTPlugin in squeak 3.11  ? Laurent 2010/1/19 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck@gmail.com> Ok...so: pharo exupery vm as FTPlugin compiled and 3.11. doesn't. And both are closure-enable. Does someone have a compiled squeak-unix-vm with FTPlugin ? because otherwise, I think I would rather to put again Exupery as the default one. Opinions? 2010/1/19 George Herolyants <george.herolyants@gmail.com> So, here are the results (see attachments). On the background of each pharo screenshot you can see the version number of the vm, and command line I used to run pharo image with this vm. As you can see results are far better for the pharo-exupery-linux-vm (which means 0.15.2f), because it has FTPlugin compiled, and squeak-unix-vm (which means 3.11.3-2135) hasn't. _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Can we add an Alien plugin on the wish-list? I _think_ I've managed to install vmmaker, but it would be nice to have somebody who knows what they are doing beat me to it :) ________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Mariano Martinez Peck Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 9:19 AM To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] testing the linux vm of pharo-project I don't know. The ideal will be to ask Squeak people for a Squeak-3.11.3.2135 with FTPlugin compiled. In the meanwhile, I will then put exupery are original and that one as alternative. What do you think ? 2010/1/19 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont@gmail.com<mailto:laurent.laffont@gmail.com>> How do you compile FTPlugin in squeak 3.11 ? Laurent 2010/1/19 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck@gmail.com<mailto:marianopeck@gmail.com>> Ok...so: pharo exupery vm as FTPlugin compiled and 3.11. doesn't. And both are closure-enable. Does someone have a compiled squeak-unix-vm with FTPlugin ? because otherwise, I think I would rather to put again Exupery as the default one. Opinions? 2010/1/19 George Herolyants <george.herolyants@gmail.com<mailto:george.herolyants@gmail.com>> So, here are the results (see attachments). On the background of each pharo screenshot you can see the version number of the vm, and command line I used to run pharo image with this vm. As you can see results are far better for the pharo-exupery-linux-vm (which means 0.15.2f), because it has FTPlugin compiled, and squeak-unix-vm (which means 3.11.3-2135) hasn't. _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
I am also getting better results with 0.15.2f. ________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Mariano Martinez Peck Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 8:40 AM To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] testing the linux vm of pharo-project Ok...so: pharo exupery vm as FTPlugin compiled and 3.11. doesn't. And both are closure-enable. Does someone have a compiled squeak-unix-vm with FTPlugin ? because otherwise, I think I would rather to put again Exupery as the default one. Opinions? 2010/1/19 George Herolyants <george.herolyants@gmail.com<mailto:george.herolyants@gmail.com>> So, here are the results (see attachments). On the background of each pharo screenshot you can see the version number of the vm, and command line I used to run pharo image with this vm. As you can see results are far better for the pharo-exupery-linux-vm (which means 0.15.2f), because it has FTPlugin compiled, and squeak-unix-vm (which means 3.11.3-2135) hasn't. _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
I would not put the stexupery as first vm because the squeak one should be more tested. Stef On Jan 19, 2010, at 2:40 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Ok...so: pharo exupery vm as FTPlugin compiled and 3.11. doesn't. And both are closure-enable.
Does someone have a compiled squeak-unix-vm with FTPlugin ? because otherwise, I think I would rather to put again Exupery as the default one.
Opinions?
2010/1/19 George Herolyants <george.herolyants@gmail.com> So, here are the results (see attachments). On the background of each pharo screenshot you can see the version number of the vm, and command line I used to run pharo image with this vm. As you can see results are far better for the pharo-exupery-linux-vm (which means 0.15.2f), because it has FTPlugin compiled, and squeak-unix-vm (which means 3.11.3-2135) hasn't.
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Any chance of a Windows VM that deals with the BitBlt problems with respect to antialiased StrikeFonts? Regards, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stéphane Ducasse" <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> To: <Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] testing the linux vm of pharo-project
I would not put the stexupery as first vm because the squeak one should be more tested.
Stef
On Jan 19, 2010, at 2:40 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Ok...so: pharo exupery vm as FTPlugin compiled and 3.11. doesn't. And both are closure-enable.
Does someone have a compiled squeak-unix-vm with FTPlugin ? because otherwise, I think I would rather to put again Exupery as the default one.
Opinions?
2010/1/19 George Herolyants <george.herolyants@gmail.com> So, here are the results (see attachments). On the background of each pharo screenshot you can see the version number of the vm, and command line I used to run pharo image with this vm. As you can see results are far better for the pharo-exupery-linux-vm (which means 0.15.2f), because it has FTPlugin compiled, and squeak-unix-vm (which means 3.11.3-2135) hasn't.
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We are using the exupery exclusively and find that it works for out needs better than the squeak. On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
I would not put the stexupery as first vm because the squeak one should be more tested.
Stef
On Jan 19, 2010, at 2:40 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Ok...so: pharo exupery vm as FTPlugin compiled and 3.11. doesn't. And both are closure-enable.
Does someone have a compiled squeak-unix-vm  with FTPlugin ? because otherwise, I think I would rather to put again Exupery as the default one.
Opinions?
2010/1/19 George Herolyants <george.herolyants@gmail.com> So, here are the results (see attachments). On the background of each pharo screenshot you can see the version number of the vm, and command line I used to run pharo image with this vm. As you can see results are far better for the pharo-exupery-linux-vm (which means 0.15.2f), because it has FTPlugin compiled, and squeak-unix-vm (which means 3.11.3-2135) hasn't.
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So what do you mean by better? On 1/19/10, Sean Allen <sean@monkeysnatchbanana.com> wrote:
We are using the exupery exclusively and find that it works for out needs better than the squeak.
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
I would not put the stexupery as first vm because the squeak one should be more tested.
Stef
On Jan 19, 2010, at 2:40 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Ok...so: pharo exupery vm as FTPlugin compiled and 3.11. doesn't. And both are closure-enable.
Does someone have a compiled squeak-unix-vm  with FTPlugin ? because otherwise, I think I would rather to put again Exupery as the default one.
Opinions?
2010/1/19 George Herolyants <george.herolyants@gmail.com> So, here are the results (see attachments). On the background of each pharo screenshot you can see the version number of the vm, and command line I used to run pharo image with this vm. As you can see results are far better for the pharo-exupery-linux-vm (which means 0.15.2f), because it has FTPlugin compiled, and squeak-unix-vm (which means 3.11.3-2135) hasn't.
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Do you use composite / compiz / kwin effects ? I've just seen that if I disable kwin effects, fonts are OK with exupery vm. Laurent 2010/1/19 George Herolyants <george.herolyants@gmail.com>
So, here are the results (see attachments). On the background of each pharo screenshot you can see the version number of the vm, and command line I used to run pharo image with this vm. As you can see results are far better for the pharo-exupery-linux-vm (which means 0.15.2f), because it has FTPlugin compiled, and squeak-unix-vm (which means 3.11.3-2135) hasn't.
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Sorry sorry sorry , I was using Bitmap Deja Vu Sans instead of default font ..... So with a fresh image exupery works far better. Sorry again. Laurent On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 3:00 PM, George Herolyants < george.herolyants@gmail.com> wrote:
2010/1/19 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont@gmail.com>:
Do you use composite / compiz / kwin effects ?
No.
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