[Pharo-project] squeak sites not available
Lukas wrote:
I think this is the end of Squeak.
Would you declare ... (insert any technology here) dead if the website/mailinglist is not reachable for a few days? So it's not the end of Squeak - but maybe the end of the wacky webserver. The server was already down in September and the box admins started to search for an explanation - see [1] Bye Torsten [1] http://www.nabble.com/-squeak-dev--Box-Admins-Team-Report-for-September,-200... -- Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger
On 21.10.2008, at 12:38, Torsten Bergmann wrote:
Lukas wrote:
I think this is the end of Squeak.
Would you declare ... (insert any technology here) dead if the website/mailinglist is not reachable for a few days?
So it's not the end of Squeak - but maybe the end of the wacky webserver.
The server was already down in September and the box admins started to search for an explanation - see [1]
here's what I wrote to janko: That's a long story. The server had some problems on-and-off over the last two months. I contacted multiple times the hoster and did not get any answer. Last Friday I found out that the hoster always answered, but send the answer to the board of Squeak e.V. (who is the paying the server since 1.5 years). So I am not on the board of Squeak e.V, and the current board did not forward any emails to me, because they thought I would get them. So that was resolved on Friday, and Hetzner did a hardware check directly Friday evening. The result was that they exchanged the RAM of the server. Now the problem: the server rebooted, but in some strange state (ping works, ssh login does not work). As I do not have an account, I could not test it. And so we only realized this Saturday late evening when Ken tried to log in. Now at hetzner, we do not have free sunday support, so a reboot had to wait till monday morning. The reboot was done, but the server is in the same state. As I have no passwd, I could not check that, so I only 1h ago could contact hetzer again. ============== So another reboot was done. ssh up, but does not let anyone in. Now we have the offer of getting a login console to the hardware to check what is wrong, but I don't have the passwd, so I can only wait. All in all, a really bad situation. Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- denker@iam.unibe.ch http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker
arghhhhhhhh infrastrcuture touching us, I hope it will get better. How esug can help? Stef
here's what I wrote to janko:
That's a long story.
The server had some problems on-and-off over the last two months. I contacted multiple times the hoster and did not get any answer. Last Friday I found out that the hoster always answered, but send the answer to the board of Squeak e.V. (who is the paying the server since 1.5 years).
So I am not on the board of Squeak e.V, and the current board did not forward any emails to me, because they thought I would get them.
So that was resolved on Friday, and Hetzner did a hardware check directly Friday evening. The result was that they exchanged the RAM of the server. Now the problem: the server rebooted, but in some strange state (ping works, ssh login does not work).
As I do not have an account, I could not test it. And so we only realized this Saturday late evening when Ken tried to log in. Now at hetzner, we do not have free sunday support, so a reboot had to wait till monday morning.
The reboot was done, but the server is in the same state. As I have no passwd, I could not check that, so I only 1h ago could contact hetzer again. ==============
So another reboot was done. ssh up, but does not let anyone in. Now we have the offer of getting a login console to the hardware to check what is wrong, but I don't have the passwd, so I can only wait.
All in all, a really bad situation.
Marcus
-- Marcus Denker -- denker@iam.unibe.ch http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker
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On Oct 21, 2008, at 12:38 PM, Torsten Bergmann wrote:
Lukas wrote:
I think this is the end of Squeak.
Would you declare ... (insert any technology here) dead if the website/mailinglist is not reachable for a few days?
So it's not the end of Squeak - but maybe the end of the wacky webserver.
The server was already down in September and the box admins started to search for an explanation - see [1]
No of course not. And this is not our goal to see squeak dead. I think that lukas was just pissed of. Stef
On 21.10.2008, at 14:13, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
arghhhhhhhh infrastrcuture touching us, I hope it will get better. How esug can help?
Not that I know... what is important for the future is that the infrastructure is in one hand. What killed us this time was the mixup between Squeak eV, me, the real admins (who actually do a real good job...) and SqF. If everything would be handled by SqF (money wise) and the admins, everything would be fine. Marcus
Stef
here's what I wrote to janko:
That's a long story.
The server had some problems on-and-off over the last two months. I contacted multiple times the hoster and did not get any answer. Last Friday I found out that the hoster always answered, but send the answer to the board of Squeak e.V. (who is the paying the server since 1.5 years).
So I am not on the board of Squeak e.V, and the current board did not forward any emails to me, because they thought I would get them.
So that was resolved on Friday, and Hetzner did a hardware check directly Friday evening. The result was that they exchanged the RAM of the server. Now the problem: the server rebooted, but in some strange state (ping works, ssh login does not work).
As I do not have an account, I could not test it. And so we only realized this Saturday late evening when Ken tried to log in. Now at hetzner, we do not have free sunday support, so a reboot had to wait till monday morning.
The reboot was done, but the server is in the same state. As I have no passwd, I could not check that, so I only 1h ago could contact hetzer again. ==============
So another reboot was done. ssh up, but does not let anyone in. Now we have the offer of getting a login console to the hardware to check what is wrong, but I don't have the passwd, so I can only wait.
All in all, a really bad situation.
Marcus
-- Marcus Denker -- denker@iam.unibe.ch http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker
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-- Marcus Denker -- denker@iam.unibe.ch http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker
The server was already down in September and the box admins started to search for an explanation - see [1]
No of course not. And this is not our goal to see squeak dead. I think that lukas was just pissed of.
I don't wish it dead either. It just makes a very strange impression to anybody, if a server is away for such a long time. Unfortunately we depend on the infrastructure for the Seaside mailing-lists and we desperately need these lists. We were doing a Seaside sprint over the weekend and this was very hard as mailing-list communication was (and is still) blocked. Lukas -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
Hi, Squeak.org is working again. Marcus On 21.10.2008, at 14:29, Marcus Denker wrote:
On 21.10.2008, at 14:13, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
arghhhhhhhh infrastrcuture touching us, I hope it will get better. How esug can help?
Not that I know... what is important for the future is that the infrastructure is in one hand. What killed us this time was the mixup between Squeak eV, me, the real admins (who actually do a real good job...) and SqF. If everything would be handled by SqF (money wise) and the admins, everything would be fine.
Marcus
Stef
here's what I wrote to janko:
That's a long story.
The server had some problems on-and-off over the last two months. I contacted multiple times the hoster and did not get any answer. Last Friday I found out that the hoster always answered, but send the answer to the board of Squeak e.V. (who is the paying the server since 1.5 years).
So I am not on the board of Squeak e.V, and the current board did not forward any emails to me, because they thought I would get them.
So that was resolved on Friday, and Hetzner did a hardware check directly Friday evening. The result was that they exchanged the RAM of the server. Now the problem: the server rebooted, but in some strange state (ping works, ssh login does not work).
As I do not have an account, I could not test it. And so we only realized this Saturday late evening when Ken tried to log in. Now at hetzner, we do not have free sunday support, so a reboot had to wait till monday morning.
The reboot was done, but the server is in the same state. As I have no passwd, I could not check that, so I only 1h ago could contact hetzer again. ==============
So another reboot was done. ssh up, but does not let anyone in. Now we have the offer of getting a login console to the hardware to check what is wrong, but I don't have the passwd, so I can only wait.
All in all, a really bad situation.
Marcus
-- Marcus Denker -- denker@iam.unibe.ch http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker
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Lukas Renggli -
Marcus Denker -
Stéphane Ducasse -
Torsten Bergmann