Hi, The new website is online! http://pharo.org For now, pharo-project.org still is the old website. Next: pharo-project.org should forward to pharo.org, it will still be available as old.pharo-project.org for some time. Thanks a lot to Nico http://nicolas-petton.fr, Esteban http://smallworks.eu, Damien http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st and Aurelia http://aurelia.saout.fr Marcus
Marcus Denker-4 wrote
The new website is online!
Wow! Instantly obvious that Aurelia was involved because it has that "well designed" look instead of our usual "I'm an engineer trying my best" look, lol ;-P ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/New-Website-online-tp4757241p4757250.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
yeah, and donât forget Nicoâs effort :) I put him real pressure on him last 3 weeks, and he took it without complain⦠and he did a great work :) Esteban On 30 Apr 2014, at 16:35, Sean P. DeNigris <sean@clipperadams.com> wrote:
Marcus Denker-4 wrote
The new website is online!
Wow! Instantly obvious that Aurelia was involved because it has that "well designed" look instead of our usual "I'm an engineer trying my best" look, lol ;-P
----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/New-Website-online-tp4757241p4757250.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
EstebanLM wrote
yeah, and donât forget Nicoâs effort :)
I didn't actually *do* anything with the site yet, just enjoyed the look, so I was saving that praise ;) ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/New-Website-online-tp4757241p4757252.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Excellent work! Thank you: Nico, Esteban, Marcus! Doru On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com>wrote:
yeah, and donât forget Nicoâs effort :) I put him real pressure on him last 3 weeks, and he took it without complain⦠and he did a great work :)
Esteban
On 30 Apr 2014, at 16:35, Sean P. DeNigris <sean@clipperadams.com> wrote:
Marcus Denker-4 wrote
The new website is online!
Wow! Instantly obvious that Aurelia was involved because it has that "well designed" look instead of our usual "I'm an engineer trying my best" look, lol ;-P
----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/New-Website-online-tp4757241p4757250.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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2014-04-30 11:35 GMT-03:00 Sean P. DeNigris <sean@clipperadams.com>:
Marcus Denker-4 wrote
The new website is online!
Wow! Instantly obvious that Aurelia was involved because it has that "well designed" look instead of our usual "I'm an engineer trying my best" look, lol ;-P
+1 The design is really nice. Clean, and with the same color palette as Pharo itself. The logo has been flattened to follow latests trends, I like that too. Congratulations. Esteban A. Maringolo
From Reddit, a reader has a good point:
"Ok, but WTF is Pharo? A new OS, A language/gui, A dockeresque container system, Wordpress clone? What!!! Novice tip. On your about page include answers to What does it do? Why would I want it? Don't include a mission statement..." Maybe we should be more explicit about it. Regards! Esteban A. Maringolo 2014-04-30 11:26 GMT-03:00 Marcus Denker <marcus.denker@inria.fr>:
Hi,
The new website is online!
For now, pharo-project.org still is the old website. Next: pharo-project.org should forward to pharo.org, it will still be available as old.pharo-project.org for some time.
Thanks a lot to Nico http://nicolas-petton.fr, Esteban http://smallworks.eu, Damien http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st and Aurelia http://aurelia.saout.fr
Marcus
Esteban A. Maringolo wrote
"Ok, but WTF is Pharo? A new OS, A language/gui, A dockeresque
The pattern from other "cool" language home pages seems to be one sentence with what and why (examples below). Here's a first take leveraging Simon Sinek's advice to "Start With Why" [1]: Do you want total, immediate control over your programming and computing experience? Then Pharo is for you. It is a live, dynamic, turtles-all-the-way-down environment (like an IDE and OS rolled into one). Pharo is also a purely object-oriented language. Are you sitting down? The environment is <italics>written in itself</italics>! Pharo is open source, and available for Mac OS X, Windows and Linux. Examples from other languages: Ruby is... A dynamic, open source programming language with a focus on simplicity and productivity. It has an elegant syntax that is natural to read and easy to write. Python is a programming language that lets you work quickly and integrate systems more effectively. Learn More JavaScript® (often shortened to JS) is a lightweight, interpreted, object-oriented language with first-class functions, most known as the scripting language for Web pages, but used in many non-browser environments as well such as node.js or Apache CouchDB. It is a prototype-based, multi-paradigm scripting language that is dynamic, and supports object-oriented, imperative, and functional programming styles. [1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sioZd3AxmnE @ 4:05 ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/New-Website-online-tp4757241p4757267.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
there you go. I changed the âwhy pharoâ taking your ides and extending them a bit. opinions/contributions are welcome :) Esteban On 30 Apr 2014, at 17:24, Sean P. DeNigris <sean@clipperadams.com> wrote:
Esteban A. Maringolo wrote
"Ok, but WTF is Pharo? A new OS, A language/gui, A dockeresque
The pattern from other "cool" language home pages seems to be one sentence with what and why (examples below).
Here's a first take leveraging Simon Sinek's advice to "Start With Why" [1]: Do you want total, immediate control over your programming and computing experience? Then Pharo is for you. It is a live, dynamic, turtles-all-the-way-down environment (like an IDE and OS rolled into one). Pharo is also a purely object-oriented language. Are you sitting down? The environment is <italics>written in itself</italics>! Pharo is open source, and available for Mac OS X, Windows and Linux.
Examples from other languages:
Ruby is... A dynamic, open source programming language with a focus on simplicity and productivity. It has an elegant syntax that is natural to read and easy to write.
Python is a programming language that lets you work quickly and integrate systems more effectively. Learn More
JavaScript® (often shortened to JS) is a lightweight, interpreted, object-oriented language with first-class functions, most known as the scripting language for Web pages, but used in many non-browser environments as well such as node.js or Apache CouchDB. It is a prototype-based, multi-paradigm scripting language that is dynamic, and supports object-oriented, imperative, and functional programming styles.
[1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sioZd3AxmnE @ 4:05
----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/New-Website-online-tp4757241p4757267.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
One of Simon Sinek's core ideas is that people "buy" your product because they believe what you believe, and that the why needs to come first to suck them in. Until we decide on the perfect wording, I would at least: - change the heading from "The live programming environment" to "The immersive programming experience" - combine the top section and the why section into: "Pharo gives you immediate and total control over your programming experience. Focused on simplicity, cleanness, and immediate feedback, it is a pure object-oriented programming language <italics>and</italics> a clean, beautiful, innovative environment (think IDE and OS rolled into one). It is open source and available for Mac OS X, Windows and Linux. because: - it puts the why first - someone on reddit specifically said that "environment" doesn't really clear anything up for them; thus "(think IDE and OS rolled into one)" - moves the most nitty gritty implementation details to the rear (e.g. platform support) But I would seriously consider my other suggestion (the one starting with "Do you want total, immediate control..."). It may sound a bit cheesy with our engineer hats on, but I've had a lot of marketing/branding training, and bold, emotionally appealing stuff like this is pure gold. And for the release snippet, I would change from: "Pharo, the programming language, live IDE and core library has a new release!" to maybe "Pharo - the programming language and core library immersed in a live IDE (all written in itself!) - has a new release!" to highlight the key points ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/New-Website-online-tp4757241p4757278.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
+10 I think Sean's suggestions and perspective make a lot of sense. Let's also not forget that he is a native English speaker and we are not. And the whole idea of the new website was mainly about marketing anyway. On 30 Apr 2014, at 18:04, Sean P. DeNigris <sean@clipperadams.com> wrote:
One of Simon Sinek's core ideas is that people "buy" your product because they believe what you believe, and that the why needs to come first to suck them in.
Until we decide on the perfect wording, I would at least: - change the heading from "The live programming environment" to "The immersive programming experience" - combine the top section and the why section into: "Pharo gives you immediate and total control over your programming experience. Focused on simplicity, cleanness, and immediate feedback, it is a pure object-oriented programming language <italics>and</italics> a clean, beautiful, innovative environment (think IDE and OS rolled into one). It is open source and available for Mac OS X, Windows and Linux. because: - it puts the why first - someone on reddit specifically said that "environment" doesn't really clear anything up for them; thus "(think IDE and OS rolled into one)" - moves the most nitty gritty implementation details to the rear (e.g. platform support)
But I would seriously consider my other suggestion (the one starting with "Do you want total, immediate control..."). It may sound a bit cheesy with our engineer hats on, but I've had a lot of marketing/branding training, and bold, emotionally appealing stuff like this is pure gold.
And for the release snippet, I would change from: "Pharo, the programming language, live IDE and core library has a new release!" to maybe "Pharo - the programming language and core library immersed in a live IDE (all written in itself!) - has a new release!" to highlight the key points
----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/New-Website-online-tp4757241p4757278.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
ok, I have put the first suggestion. I can try the other one too⦠as you prefer :) Esteban On 30 Apr 2014, at 18:04, Sean P. DeNigris <sean@clipperadams.com> wrote:
One of Simon Sinek's core ideas is that people "buy" your product because they believe what you believe, and that the why needs to come first to suck them in.
Until we decide on the perfect wording, I would at least: - change the heading from "The live programming environment" to "The immersive programming experience" - combine the top section and the why section into: "Pharo gives you immediate and total control over your programming experience. Focused on simplicity, cleanness, and immediate feedback, it is a pure object-oriented programming language <italics>and</italics> a clean, beautiful, innovative environment (think IDE and OS rolled into one). It is open source and available for Mac OS X, Windows and Linux. because: - it puts the why first - someone on reddit specifically said that "environment" doesn't really clear anything up for them; thus "(think IDE and OS rolled into one)" - moves the most nitty gritty implementation details to the rear (e.g. platform support)
But I would seriously consider my other suggestion (the one starting with "Do you want total, immediate control..."). It may sound a bit cheesy with our engineer hats on, but I've had a lot of marketing/branding training, and bold, emotionally appealing stuff like this is pure gold.
And for the release snippet, I would change from: "Pharo, the programming language, live IDE and core library has a new release!" to maybe "Pharo - the programming language and core library immersed in a live IDE (all written in itself!) - has a new release!" to highlight the key points
----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/New-Website-online-tp4757241p4757278.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
May be the adjective "agile" could be plugged somewhere in this abstract, as it is "à la mode" and perfectly describes an intrinsic quality of Pharo. Hilaire Le 30/04/2014 19:19, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit :
ok, I have put the first suggestion. I can try the other one too⦠as you prefer :)
-- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu
On Apr 30, 2014, at 1:04 PM, Sean P. DeNigris <sean@clipperadams.com> wrote:
One of Simon Sinek's core ideas is that people "buy" your product because they believe what you believe, and that the why needs to come first to suck them in.
Well said Sean. For the record, you can quote me on this all you want: I came to Pharo because I believe in Smalltalk. Specifically in its designsâ principles. The rest is BS to me sebastian o/
Slick! Congrats on the site. On Apr 30, 2014, at 10:26 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker@inria.fr> wrote:
Hi,
The new website is online!
For now, pharo-project.org still is the old website. Next: pharo-project.org should forward to pharo.org, it will still be available as old.pharo-project.org for some time.
Thanks a lot to Nico http://nicolas-petton.fr, Esteban http://smallworks.eu, Damien http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st and Aurelia http://aurelia.saout.fr
Marcus
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Yes, well done!! Alexandre On Apr 30, 2014, at 12:48 PM, Johan Fabry <jfabry@dcc.uchile.cl> wrote:
Slick! Congrats on the site.
On Apr 30, 2014, at 10:26 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker@inria.fr> wrote:
Hi,
The new website is online!
For now, pharo-project.org still is the old website. Next: pharo-project.org should forward to pharo.org, it will still be available as old.pharo-project.org for some time.
Thanks a lot to Nico http://nicolas-petton.fr, Esteban http://smallworks.eu, Damien http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st and Aurelia http://aurelia.saout.fr
Marcus
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I love the new website definitely an improvement , don't like the new flatten logo , old one was a very beautiful design. R.I.P Thanks for including my video "Why Pharo" in the website I feel honoured and thank you for your hard work. On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 7:07 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel@me.com>wrote:
Yes, well done!!
Alexandre
On Apr 30, 2014, at 12:48 PM, Johan Fabry <jfabry@dcc.uchile.cl> wrote:
Slick! Congrats on the site.
On Apr 30, 2014, at 10:26 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker@inria.fr>
wrote:
Hi,
The new website is online!
For now, pharo-project.org still is the old website. Next: pharo-project.org should forward to pharo.org, it will still be available as old.pharo-project.org for some time.
Thanks a lot to Nico http://nicolas-petton.fr, Esteban http://smallworks.eu, Damien http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st and Aurelia http://aurelia.saout.fr
Marcus
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Hmm I see no such reply in my comment at Reddit. Actually from what I see none replied to my comment. Trimmed as removed ? You mean I should remove Amber mention completely ? For me as a coder is important that I work inside an environment that allows me to take advantage of existing technology. So amber and general access to javascript libraries is another reason why I use Pharo. I have not done anything substantial with Amber as I have done with Nativeboost but its none the less a good reason Why I use Pharo. I dont expect my video to clear up every single confusion. Confusion is part of the process of not being familiar with something. But I think I make it clear that Amber is one of the many options out there to use javascript libraries with Pharo. I am always considering redoing the video since it a very important question and improving the overall presentation. thank you, your comment really matters for me :) On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 8:11 PM, Ben Coman <btc@openinworld.com> wrote:
I really liked your video, I just think a the little bit at the front that shows Amber should be trimmed. There was a comment on reddit "So it's smalltalk in a browser? " cheers -ben
kilon alios wrote:
I love the new website definitely an improvement , don't like the new flatten logo , old one was a very beautiful design. R.I.P
Thanks for including my video "Why Pharo" in the website I feel honoured and thank you for your hard work.
On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 7:07 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel@me.com
wrote:
Yes, well done!!
Alexandre
On Apr 30, 2014, at 12:48 PM, Johan Fabry <jfabry@dcc.uchile.cl> wrote:
Slick! Congrats on the site.
On Apr 30, 2014, at 10:26 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker@inria.fr>
wrote:
Hi,
The new website is online!
For now, pharo-project.org still is the old website. Next: pharo-project.org should forward to pharo.org, it will still be available as old.pharo-project.org for some time.
Thanks a lot to Nico http://nicolas-petton.fr, Esteban http://smallworks.eu, Damien http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st and Aurelia http://aurelia.saout.fr
Marcus
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How about either adding a link to the online forums using "pharo.forum.world.st" or even embed the online forums using the Nabble embedding options in the Get Help section? Nabble forum embedding options: -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/New-Website-online-tp4757241p4757808.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
It will be helpful indeed, the Forum really looks modern and handy compared to the traditionnal mailing list archive. I always use the former one, I guess the same for others. Hilaire Le 04/05/2014 10:49, Geert Claes a écrit :
How about either adding a link to the online forums using "pharo.forum.world.st" or even embed the online forums using the Nabble embedding options in the Get Help section?
Nabble forum embedding options:
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I'm glad you like the new website! it was a pleasure to work on it :) Aurélia Saout -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/New-Website-online-tp4757241p4758491.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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Alexandre Bergel -
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Ben Coman -
Esteban A. Maringolo -
Esteban Lorenzano -
Geert Claes -
Hilaire Fernandes -
Johan Fabry -
kilon alios -
Marcus Denker -
Sean P. DeNigris -
Sebastian Sastre -
Sven Van Caekenberghe -
Tudor Girba