[Pharo-project] A board for pharo
Hello everybody We are happy to announce a board for Pharo! So far, Pharo has mainly been "directed" by Stef who initiated the project. Now that the community grows and Pharo makes progress, the board will bring some more structure into the decision making process. We don't have bylaws or any rules written down yet but the idea is to run it similar to the Apache board. That is, new board members are elected by existing board members. The rational is that we want to assure continuity to be able to steadily push Pharo forward. The current board members are: - Marcus Denker - Stefane Ducasse - Adrian Lienhard - Michael Rueger Stef
Long life to board :-) On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
Hello everybody
We are happy to announce a board for Pharo! So far, Pharo has mainly been "directed" by Stef who initiated the project. Now that the community grows and Pharo makes progress, the board will bring some more structure into the decision making process.
We don't have bylaws or any rules written down yet but the idea is to run it similar to the Apache board. That is, new board members are elected by existing board members. The rational is that we want to assure continuity to be able to steadily push Pharo forward.
The current board members are: - Marcus Denker - Stefane Ducasse - Adrian Lienhard - Michael Rueger
Stef
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Good idea. And good luck to all board members! Janko Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Hello everybody
We are happy to announce a board for Pharo! So far, Pharo has mainly been "directed" by Stef who initiated the project. Now that the community grows and Pharo makes progress, the board will bring some more structure into the decision making process.
We don't have bylaws or any rules written down yet but the idea is to run it similar to the Apache board. That is, new board members are elected by existing board members. The rational is that we want to assure continuity to be able to steadily push Pharo forward.
The current board members are: - Marcus Denker - Stefane Ducasse - Adrian Lienhard - Michael Rueger
Stef
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Hi, that is very very early for the installation of a "board". What are the topics only a board can do? I think at this stage of project existence it should be a goal to involve everyone participating as much as possible. And I doubt the installation of a board supports this. I think you first need a community that you want to "steer". I have the impression we really should care about transparency. Announcing a board and a board "model" without any prior announcement or discussion is not very sensible to other people involved. I can live with this board but e.g. I want to know what/where put Marcus and Michael in charge? Both are rather absent from this list and Marcus is "recovering slowly". If there were any decisions that must have been made while meeting in personal or by private email. That's what I mean. Please correct me if I missed something important. Maybe it is just whining from my site and not worth it. But I'm really sensible to such things and I (too) must organize very well where to spend my spare time. Norbert On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 09:30 +0200, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Hello everybody
We are happy to announce a board for Pharo! So far, Pharo has mainly been "directed" by Stef who initiated the project. Now that the community grows and Pharo makes progress, the board will bring some more structure into the decision making process.
We don't have bylaws or any rules written down yet but the idea is to run it similar to the Apache board. That is, new board members are elected by existing board members. The rational is that we want to assure continuity to be able to steadily push Pharo forward.
The current board members are: - Marcus Denker - Stefane Ducasse - Adrian Lienhard - Michael Rueger
Stef
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hi Norbert, I like the idea of having a board. It makes people responsible and representative somehow. In my views, the board is not made to be static. Maybe people will leave and/or new people will be added to it. In any case, it is a good step forward. Cheers, Alexandre On 17 Jul 2008, at 10:05, Norbert Hartl wrote:
Hi,
that is very very early for the installation of a "board". What are the topics only a board can do? I think at this stage of project existence it should be a goal to involve everyone participating as much as possible. And I doubt the installation of a board supports this. I think you first need a community that you want to "steer".
I have the impression we really should care about transparency. Announcing a board and a board "model" without any prior announcement or discussion is not very sensible to other people involved. I can live with this board but e.g. I want to know what/where put Marcus and Michael in charge? Both are rather absent from this list and Marcus is "recovering slowly". If there were any decisions that must have been made while meeting in personal or by private email. That's what I mean. Please correct me if I missed something important.
Maybe it is just whining from my site and not worth it. But I'm really sensible to such things and I (too) must organize very well where to spend my spare time.
Norbert
On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 09:30 +0200, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Hello everybody
We are happy to announce a board for Pharo! So far, Pharo has mainly been "directed" by Stef who initiated the project. Now that the community grows and Pharo makes progress, the board will bring some more structure into the decision making process.
We don't have bylaws or any rules written down yet but the idea is to run it similar to the Apache board. That is, new board members are elected by existing board members. The rational is that we want to assure continuity to be able to steadily push Pharo forward.
The current board members are: - Marcus Denker - Stefane Ducasse - Adrian Lienhard - Michael Rueger
Stef
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Hi Norbert, I can understand your concerns. It may look a bit like the announced board members take over without being based on the community. Of course there is no such intent and I think the processes should be transparent and the interests of the community should always be taken into account. Yet, we intentionally chose not to do a democratic setup because of the negative experience we made with Squeak and its SqueakFoundation. The democratic setup and a board that didn't actively steer the direction of development and make decisions paralyzed the community because of the too diverging interests. This situation eventually lead to the decision to start Pharo. Therefore, we really want to make sure that we do not do the same mistakes again. And this is exactly also why I think its important to instantiate a board as early as possible. If we wait until a lot of people have joined (and I can imagine that this will happen as there does not seem to be much progress in Squeak right now), the risk is that we again loose our focus. Just to give an example: even if people come to Pharo and use it for EToys, I still want to be able to remove it. You ask why Marcus and Mike? On the one hand, both bring a lot of experience from managing previous Squeak releases (3.8 and 3.9) and both have a deep know-how from being actively involved in Squeak for many years. On the other hand, with Mike we have another guy from industry, so we have a balance between academia and industry (although I'm also involved in research with my PhD, I consider myself as an industry guy because netstyle.ch/cmsbox is the main reason I'm pushing Pharo). Cheers, Adrian On Jul 17, 2008, at 10:05 , Norbert Hartl wrote:
Hi,
that is very very early for the installation of a "board". What are the topics only a board can do? I think at this stage of project existence it should be a goal to involve everyone participating as much as possible. And I doubt the installation of a board supports this. I think you first need a community that you want to "steer".
I have the impression we really should care about transparency. Announcing a board and a board "model" without any prior announcement or discussion is not very sensible to other people involved. I can live with this board but e.g. I want to know what/where put Marcus and Michael in charge? Both are rather absent from this list and Marcus is "recovering slowly". If there were any decisions that must have been made while meeting in personal or by private email. That's what I mean. Please correct me if I missed something important.
Maybe it is just whining from my site and not worth it. But I'm really sensible to such things and I (too) must organize very well where to spend my spare time.
Norbert
On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 09:30 +0200, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Hello everybody
We are happy to announce a board for Pharo! So far, Pharo has mainly been "directed" by Stef who initiated the project. Now that the community grows and Pharo makes progress, the board will bring some more structure into the decision making process.
We don't have bylaws or any rules written down yet but the idea is to run it similar to the Apache board. That is, new board members are elected by existing board members. The rational is that we want to assure continuity to be able to steadily push Pharo forward.
The current board members are: - Marcus Denker - Stefane Ducasse - Adrian Lienhard - Michael Rueger
Stef
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Hello, On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 4:05 AM, Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name> wrote: [snip]
I have the impression we really should care about transparency. Announcing a board and a board "model" without any prior announcement or discussion is not very sensible to other people involved.
I agree completely, transparency is very important. Please, please no closed-door meetings! I also agree that the project needs strong leadership and should not be "democratic". As long as decisions follow consensus most of the time, the project ought to stay healthy. Best Regards, Victor Rodriguez.
I can live with this board but e.g. I want to know what/where put Marcus and Michael in charge? Both are rather absent from this list and Marcus is "recovering slowly". If there were any decisions that must have been made while meeting in personal or by private email. That's what I mean. Please correct me if I missed something important.
Maybe it is just whining from my site and not worth it. But I'm really sensible to such things and I (too) must organize very well where to spend my spare time.
Norbert
On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 09:30 +0200, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Hello everybody
We are happy to announce a board for Pharo! So far, Pharo has mainly been "directed" by Stef who initiated the project. Now that the community grows and Pharo makes progress, the board will bring some more structure into the decision making process.
We don't have bylaws or any rules written down yet but the idea is to run it similar to the Apache board. That is, new board members are elected by existing board members. The rational is that we want to assure continuity to be able to steadily push Pharo forward.
The current board members are: - Marcus Denker - Stefane Ducasse - Adrian Lienhard - Michael Rueger
Stef
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Hi victor There will be no close door meetings. I really want that people say what they want to say. Now I like when people say something with code attached :) Just for the record, long long time ago in another galaxy three guys (stef, marcus and mike) started to think about a squeakfoundation. They wrote a chart and other silly documents. Then we mention it publicly and mike had to drop the ball for personal reason. The point of the squeakfoundation he had in mind was ok how people spending the time and energy in the community can protect from people just talking and wanting stuff. Stef
Hello,
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 4:05 AM, Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name> wrote: [snip]
I have the impression we really should care about transparency. Announcing a board and a board "model" without any prior announcement or discussion is not very sensible to other people involved.
I agree completely, transparency is very important.
Please, please no closed-door meetings!
I also agree that the project needs strong leadership and should not be "democratic". As long as decisions follow consensus most of the time, the project ought to stay healthy.
Best Regards,
Victor Rodriguez.
I can live with this board but e.g. I want to know what/where put Marcus and Michael in charge? Both are rather absent from this list and Marcus is "recovering slowly". If there were any decisions that must have been made while meeting in personal or by private email. That's what I mean. Please correct me if I missed something important.
Maybe it is just whining from my site and not worth it. But I'm really sensible to such things and I (too) must organize very well where to spend my spare time.
Norbert
On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 09:30 +0200, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Hello everybody
We are happy to announce a board for Pharo! So far, Pharo has mainly been "directed" by Stef who initiated the project. Now that the community grows and Pharo makes progress, the board will bring some more structure into the decision making process.
We don't have bylaws or any rules written down yet but the idea is to run it similar to the Apache board. That is, new board members are elected by existing board members. The rational is that we want to assure continuity to be able to steadily push Pharo forward.
The current board members are: - Marcus Denker - Stefane Ducasse - Adrian Lienhard - Michael Rueger
Stef
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Hi norbert I think that the board should not be really active right now. But may be there will be time where we will need to take decisions. My take on that is that I would like to have a really transparent process similar to what we are doing now: - emails in the mailing-list, - nice exchange (as for the stream discussions), - seriously I do not have any preconceived ideas (even on namespace - ok on namespace I have some ideas :)), We want to be influenced by contributing people. Tthe point is that **we** the list active members can take decision and that in case of deadlock the board can give us some way to take decision. For the fact that this is early or not, I do not know, I'm more lenient :) so I thought let it go for after, other boarders saw it in another way and this was ok for me too. At the end, I'm **happy** (in the naive sense) because I do not want pharo to be my project. I want pharo to be **our** project. But we need to be able to take decisions and build a vision. So this is why I accepted the idea of the board. May be we should discussed it publicly but this was really simple. Here is the two emails. First email: "Now, I think we should also start thinking about how to manage Pharo to not drift into the same problems like with Squeak. I here primarily think about decision making. Who holds the keys and has the power to take final decisions? Do we have a board and if yes how does it constitute itself or is there just Stef as a dictator ;) (which may be just fine too)?" I said that I wanted to have a board (for the reasons I explained above). Second email: Hi Mike, Stef, Marcus and I have been discussing about instantiating a board for Pharo and thought about asking you to join. The idea is that the board is not elected but works by "co-optation", meaning the board decides who can join or not. It probably goes without saying that a board that can efficiently take decisions is critical if we do not want to get into a situation again where different interests block everything ;). I think at moment Stef is the "owner" of Pharo and he creates this board now -- so this should not be understood as an unfriendly act by the current participants. What do you think? Adrian Now about the board members: - Marcus knows much more than me about Smalltalk :) - Mike is from industry and we share a common vision (iSqueak, YSqueak...) - Adrian is running business and academic, so Smalltalk is central for him Now 4 is not a good number for taking decision so we will see, when we will need to fix that. I sincerly hope that you understand us. For me, it does not change anything to the vision, motivation..... This is just to protect ourselves because we got burnt. Now we do not have have an internal mailing-list. Stef
Hi,
that is very very early for the installation of a "board". What are the topics only a board can do? I think at this stage of project existence it should be a goal to involve everyone participating as much as possible. And I doubt the installation of a board supports this. I think you first need a community that you want to "steer".
I have the impression we really should care about transparency. Announcing a board and a board "model" without any prior announcement or discussion is not very sensible to other people involved. I can live with this board but e.g. I want to know what/where put Marcus and Michael in charge? Both are rather absent from this list and Marcus is "recovering slowly". If there were any decisions that must have been made while meeting in personal or by private email. That's what I mean. Please correct me if I missed something important.
Maybe it is just whining from my site and not worth it. But I'm really sensible to such things and I (too) must organize very well where to spend my spare time.
Norbert
On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 09:30 +0200, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Hello everybody
We are happy to announce a board for Pharo! So far, Pharo has mainly been "directed" by Stef who initiated the project. Now that the community grows and Pharo makes progress, the board will bring some more structure into the decision making process.
We don't have bylaws or any rules written down yet but the idea is to run it similar to the Apache board. That is, new board members are elected by existing board members. The rational is that we want to assure continuity to be able to steadily push Pharo forward.
The current board members are: - Marcus Denker - Stefane Ducasse - Adrian Lienhard - Michael Rueger
Stef
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Hi Stef, this little transparency made everything clear for me. Thank you very much sharing your opinion and your emails. This mail goes into the archive and answers a lot of questions. Fini! I didn't want to opt against some of the board members. Marcus and Mike I met in person already. And I appreciated already the work together with Adrien. So, this _is_ indeed a fine board (for me) ;) Norbert On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 16:22 +0200, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Hi norbert
I think that the board should not be really active right now. But may be there will be time where we will need to take decisions. My take on that is that I would like to have a really transparent process similar to what we are doing now: - emails in the mailing-list, - nice exchange (as for the stream discussions), - seriously I do not have any preconceived ideas (even on namespace - ok on namespace I have some ideas :)),
We want to be influenced by contributing people.
Tthe point is that **we** the list active members can take decision and that in case of deadlock the board can give us some way to take decision.
For the fact that this is early or not, I do not know, I'm more lenient :) so I thought let it go for after, other boarders saw it in another way and this was ok for me too.
At the end, I'm **happy** (in the naive sense) because I do not want pharo to be my project. I want pharo to be **our** project. But we need to be able to take decisions and build a vision. So this is why I accepted the idea of the board.
May be we should discussed it publicly but this was really simple. Here is the two emails.
First email:
"Now, I think we should also start thinking about how to manage Pharo to not drift into the same problems like with Squeak. I here primarily think about decision making. Who holds the keys and has the power to take final decisions? Do we have a board and if yes how does it constitute itself or is there just Stef as a dictator ;) (which may be just fine too)?"
I said that I wanted to have a board (for the reasons I explained above).
Second email:
Hi Mike,
Stef, Marcus and I have been discussing about instantiating a board for Pharo and thought about asking you to join. The idea is that the board is not elected but works by "co-optation", meaning the board decides who can join or not.
It probably goes without saying that a board that can efficiently take decisions is critical if we do not want to get into a situation again where different interests block everything ;).
I think at moment Stef is the "owner" of Pharo and he creates this board now -- so this should not be understood as an unfriendly act by the current participants.
What do you think? Adrian
Now about the board members: - Marcus knows much more than me about Smalltalk :) - Mike is from industry and we share a common vision (iSqueak, YSqueak...) - Adrian is running business and academic, so Smalltalk is central for him
Now 4 is not a good number for taking decision so we will see, when we will need to fix that.
I sincerly hope that you understand us. For me, it does not change anything to the vision, motivation..... This is just to protect ourselves because we got burnt. Now we do not have have an internal mailing-list.
Stef
Hi,
that is very very early for the installation of a "board". What are the topics only a board can do? I think at this stage of project existence it should be a goal to involve everyone participating as much as possible. And I doubt the installation of a board supports this. I think you first need a community that you want to "steer".
I have the impression we really should care about transparency. Announcing a board and a board "model" without any prior announcement or discussion is not very sensible to other people involved. I can live with this board but e.g. I want to know what/where put Marcus and Michael in charge? Both are rather absent from this list and Marcus is "recovering slowly". If there were any decisions that must have been made while meeting in personal or by private email. That's what I mean. Please correct me if I missed something important.
Maybe it is just whining from my site and not worth it. But I'm really sensible to such things and I (too) must organize very well where to spend my spare time.
Norbert
On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 09:30 +0200, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Hello everybody
We are happy to announce a board for Pharo! So far, Pharo has mainly been "directed" by Stef who initiated the project. Now that the community grows and Pharo makes progress, the board will bring some more structure into the decision making process.
We don't have bylaws or any rules written down yet but the idea is to run it similar to the Apache board. That is, new board members are elected by existing board members. The rational is that we want to assure continuity to be able to steadily push Pharo forward.
The current board members are: - Marcus Denker - Stefane Ducasse - Adrian Lienhard - Michael Rueger
Stef
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Great! I spent yesterday browsing squeak and found a lot of glitches. It really deserves our care and love and we will have a cool system I have rather limited network again :( Here are some notes I took TODO: Pharo duplicated code in importAllIconNamed: and friends TODO: may be include as ressources the pngSuite - see testPngSuite TODO: remove from UndefinedObject from3DS: aDictionary ^aDictionary TODO: BMPReadWriter>>nextPutImage: aForm as a stream close as the last messages while all the other methods do not and should be protected by an ensure: So if someone can turn them into task it would be great. stef On Jul 17, 2008, at 5:13 PM, Norbert Hartl wrote:
Hi Stef,
this little transparency made everything clear for me. Thank you very much sharing your opinion and your emails. This mail goes into the archive and answers a lot of questions. Fini!
I didn't want to opt against some of the board members. Marcus and Mike I met in person already. And I appreciated already the work together with Adrien. So, this _is_ indeed a fine board (for me) ;)
Norbert
On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 16:22 +0200, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Hi norbert
I think that the board should not be really active right now. But may be there will be time where we will need to take decisions. My take on that is that I would like to have a really transparent process similar to what we are doing now: - emails in the mailing-list, - nice exchange (as for the stream discussions), - seriously I do not have any preconceived ideas (even on namespace - ok on namespace I have some ideas :)),
We want to be influenced by contributing people.
Tthe point is that **we** the list active members can take decision and that in case of deadlock the board can give us some way to take decision.
For the fact that this is early or not, I do not know, I'm more lenient :) so I thought let it go for after, other boarders saw it in another way and this was ok for me too.
At the end, I'm **happy** (in the naive sense) because I do not want pharo to be my project. I want pharo to be **our** project. But we need to be able to take decisions and build a vision. So this is why I accepted the idea of the board.
May be we should discussed it publicly but this was really simple. Here is the two emails.
First email:
"Now, I think we should also start thinking about how to manage Pharo to not drift into the same problems like with Squeak. I here primarily think about decision making. Who holds the keys and has the power to take final decisions? Do we have a board and if yes how does it constitute itself or is there just Stef as a dictator ;) (which may be just fine too)?"
I said that I wanted to have a board (for the reasons I explained above).
Second email:
Hi Mike,
Stef, Marcus and I have been discussing about instantiating a board for Pharo and thought about asking you to join. The idea is that the board is not elected but works by "co-optation", meaning the board decides who can join or not.
It probably goes without saying that a board that can efficiently take decisions is critical if we do not want to get into a situation again where different interests block everything ;).
I think at moment Stef is the "owner" of Pharo and he creates this board now -- so this should not be understood as an unfriendly act by the current participants.
What do you think? Adrian
Now about the board members: - Marcus knows much more than me about Smalltalk :) - Mike is from industry and we share a common vision (iSqueak, YSqueak...) - Adrian is running business and academic, so Smalltalk is central for him
Now 4 is not a good number for taking decision so we will see, when we will need to fix that.
I sincerly hope that you understand us. For me, it does not change anything to the vision, motivation..... This is just to protect ourselves because we got burnt. Now we do not have have an internal mailing-list.
Stef
Hi,
that is very very early for the installation of a "board". What are the topics only a board can do? I think at this stage of project existence it should be a goal to involve everyone participating as much as possible. And I doubt the installation of a board supports this. I think you first need a community that you want to "steer".
I have the impression we really should care about transparency. Announcing a board and a board "model" without any prior announcement or discussion is not very sensible to other people involved. I can live with this board but e.g. I want to know what/where put Marcus and Michael in charge? Both are rather absent from this list and Marcus is "recovering slowly". If there were any decisions that must have been made while meeting in personal or by private email. That's what I mean. Please correct me if I missed something important.
Maybe it is just whining from my site and not worth it. But I'm really sensible to such things and I (too) must organize very well where to spend my spare time.
Norbert
On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 09:30 +0200, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Hello everybody
We are happy to announce a board for Pharo! So far, Pharo has mainly been "directed" by Stef who initiated the project. Now that the community grows and Pharo makes progress, the board will bring some more structure into the decision making process.
We don't have bylaws or any rules written down yet but the idea is to run it similar to the Apache board. That is, new board members are elected by existing board members. The rational is that we want to assure continuity to be able to steadily push Pharo forward.
The current board members are: - Marcus Denker - Stefane Ducasse - Adrian Lienhard - Michael Rueger
Stef
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On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
TODO: Pharo duplicated code in importAllIconNamed: and friends
Issue #120
TODO: may be include as ressources the pngSuite - see testPngSuite
I don't understand this one
TODO: remove from UndefinedObject from3DS: aDictionary ^aDictionary
Patch sent to PharoInbox. Issue #121. Needs a review.
TODO: BMPReadWriter>>nextPutImage: aForm as a stream close as the last messages while all the other methods do not and should be protected by an ensure:
Issue #122 -- Damien Cassou Peter von der Ahé: «I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good luck». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu)
Thanks damien
TODO: Pharo duplicated code in importAllIconNamed: and friends
Issue #120
TODO: may be include as ressources the pngSuite - see testPngSuite
Yes it was critic. In the PNG writer tests you have to download the file and put them in your directory else the tests just run but test nothing.
TODO: remove from UndefinedObject from3DS: aDictionary ^aDictionary
Patch sent to PharoInbox. Issue #121. Needs a review.
TODO: BMPReadWriter>>nextPutImage: aForm as a stream close as the last messages while all the other methods do not and should be protected by an ensure:
Issue #122
Thanks. Still no connection no phone...... stef
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Adrian Lienhard -
Alexandre Bergel -
Damien Cassou -
Janko Mivšek -
Norbert Hartl -
Stéphane Ducasse -
Victor Rodriguez