Re: [Pharo-dev] Call about Numerical Methods in Pharo :)
On 06 Mar 2016, at 10:50, Benoit St-Jean via Pharo-dev <pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org> wrote:
Instead of spending a sh*tload of bytes arguing about this nonsense, let's move on to do some coding...
Sorry, but this is the only reasonable thing I can rescue from this whole thread. The same discussion arises every year once or twice and is always same result: nothing, except people getting angry and trolling in every possible direction⦠we will *never* reach an agreement here because is a subjective matter. Is that a reason to zealot about? No (and take into account Iâm referring to all positions here, not just one side or another). So I will ask *again* too calm down and letâs talk about what is really important? This thread has now 44 mails (45 with this now)⦠of those, just the first mail had something to do with the original purpose. Stay calm, stay cool⦠we are all big persons with strong opinions that deserves respect. But we are here to put that positions aside and to discuss about what we can do together⦠they can be great of dust, you decide. Esteban ps: if it helps, consider this thread as âmoderated: not constructiveâ :)
It is understandable that over time an own identity for Pharo is helpful (especially because of the bad Smalltalk marketing, failures of commercial vendors in the past, ...). But also no one can not deny/hide the original roots of Pharo: the primary foundations with pure objects all the way down and messages and concepts just plain Smalltalk. Same for the basic class hierarchy, ... So this discussion is useless, especially because Pharo still lacks many of the features a portable, integratable environment should have (and that Smalltalk failed to deliver, at least in a common way). We should not confuse wishes/dreams with existing state of the technology and facts. Also why discuss about this now again? Did we discuss about renaming SUnit into PUnit? No. This just burns our cycles. For the marketing part there is a primary question to be answered: what are the (business) problems Pharo can solve. At least if we want Pharo to be commercially viable and get money (not only our own) into the community. This is the part that was answered by other languages and technologies so far and the simple reason why they are used: even when they are ugly they solve a problem. Nonetheless: ============ If there is a rename I would suggest to rename "SciSmalltalk" into "Polymath".   - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymath - it can be applied to many subject areas - would be related to Math and science - would also have a "P" like Pharo in the name - Da Vinci was a polymath person, as well as Imhotep :) Bye T.
So was SciSmalltalk renamed? -cam On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 9:05 AM, Torsten Bergmann <astares@gmx.de> wrote:
It is understandable that over time an own identity for Pharo is helpful (especially because of the bad Smalltalk marketing, failures of commercial vendors in the past, ...). But also no one can not deny/hide the original roots of Pharo: the primary foundations with pure objects all the way down and messages and concepts just plain Smalltalk. Same for the basic class hierarchy, ...
So this discussion is useless, especially because Pharo still lacks many of the features a portable, integratable environment should have (and that Smalltalk failed to deliver, at least in a common way). We should not confuse wishes/dreams with existing state of the technology and facts.
Also why discuss about this now again? Did we discuss about renaming SUnit into PUnit? No. This just burns our cycles.
For the marketing part there is a primary question to be answered: what are the (business) problems Pharo can solve. At least if we want Pharo to be commercially viable and get money (not only our own) into the community. This is the part that was answered by other languages and technologies so far and the simple reason why they are used: even when they are ugly they solve a problem.
Nonetheless: ============ If there is a rename I would suggest to rename "SciSmalltalk" into "Polymath". - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymath - it can be applied to many subject areas - would be related to Math and science - would also have a "P" like Pharo in the name - Da Vinci was a polymath person, as well as Imhotep :)
Bye T.
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Cameron Sanders -
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Torsten Bergmann