I do not know in which world you live. You are probably not exposed to students and to technology stack, techno center, hackaton and other place were developers gather and hack. You probably use Smalltalk for your hobby and this is great. I'm selling Pharo to industry and programmers and the competition is real. I'm sad because you did not get anything that I'm said. Sorry but I will not continue this thread. Now you will not force us to market Pharo the way it should. If you are not happy, put money on the consortium and come to talk to us but you will be disappointed because the complete board is thinking the same. We are marketing our future. Now I will ask to be ban from this list such recurrent discussions. Why because we all lose time and you make me losing a lot of energy and frankly I would be you I would prefer that Stephane Ducasse, the Great Energizer is focusing on producing cool videos, new books or whatever instead of talking about this "pharo is smalltalk" shit. Yes you see I spent 14 hours to go to discuss with didier and we pushed the numerical method book (that I reviewed in the past several times), with serge we edited the new version of the book, we patiently collected all the libraries over the years, we are fighting with dependencies and more. So it gives the right to do what we want and if you are not happy, I'm sorry about it but this is like that! Stef