[Pharo-project] About the download page
Let's suppose I'm a first visitor reading this page: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/Downloads?tm=2 " ... A link is given below to get the image ... " There are various links below, specifically what is that link? (Suggestion: anchor the link word) " ... You can either upgrade your image ... " Any hint or link explaining how? " ... The virtual machine may be downloaded from ... " Suggestion: " ... The virtual machine [for the X Operating System] may be downloaded from ... " and then "The virtual machine [for the Y Operating System] may be downloaded from ... " " ... The lastest VM available ... " " ... The latest VM available ... " (typo) " Pharo files are still hosted at the Pharo INRIA project site. "
From an user point of view I don't know why that would be relevant.
" Please head over to http://gforge.inria.fr/frs/?group_id=1299 " To get the image ? the image and VM ? to choose downloading options ? (what I mean is that isn't clear the "image" reference at the beggining of page refers to this link or the "specific files" link below). " Here are some links to specific files: Pharo Core: Pharo0.1Core-10204.zip " Suggestion: " If you want to do/have/use X, you can download Pharo Core... " " If you want to do/have/use Y, you can download Pharo Developer... " etc. Final notes: -There is no "Installation instructions" guidelines or link, this commonly is: "When download is completed, uncompress.... get a mysterious .sources file, and then copy the .exe there......" -Still remain assumptions for a first visitor, like he already knows what is an image, a virtual machine. Many first visitors are outsiders and they download first, read later (show me don't tell me). My suggestion is to provide a link/page in key words "image", "virtual machine", I guess there are many sites where this is explained easily; and a reference link, to the SqueakByExample book for example, for people who wants to read more. Just a couple of suggestions. Cheers Hernán
Hi hernan I can give you access to edit the page because I do not have the time to fix it. stef On Feb 8, 2009, at 8:14 AM, Hernán Morales Durand wrote:
Let's suppose I'm a first visitor reading this page:
http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/Downloads?tm=2
" ... A link is given below to get the image ... " There are various links below, specifically what is that link? (Suggestion: anchor the link word)
" ... You can either upgrade your image ... " Any hint or link explaining how?
" ... The virtual machine may be downloaded from ... " Suggestion: " ... The virtual machine [for the X Operating System] may be downloaded from ... " and then "The virtual machine [for the Y Operating System] may be downloaded from ... "
" ... The lastest VM available ... " " ... The latest VM available ... " (typo)
" Pharo files are still hosted at the Pharo INRIA project site. " From an user point of view I don't know why that would be relevant.
" Please head over to http://gforge.inria.fr/frs/?group_id=1299 " To get the image ? the image and VM ? to choose downloading options ? (what I mean is that isn't clear the "image" reference at the beggining of page refers to this link or the "specific files" link below).
" Here are some links to specific files: Pharo Core: Pharo0.1Core-10204.zip " Suggestion: " If you want to do/have/use X, you can download Pharo Core... " " If you want to do/have/use Y, you can download Pharo Developer... " etc.
Final notes: -There is no "Installation instructions" guidelines or link, this commonly is: "When download is completed, uncompress.... get a mysterious .sources file, and then copy the .exe there......" -Still remain assumptions for a first visitor, like he already knows what is an image, a virtual machine. Many first visitors are outsiders and they download first, read later (show me don't tell me). My suggestion is to provide a link/page in key words "image", "virtual machine", I guess there are many sites where this is explained easily; and a reference link, to the SqueakByExample book for example, for people who wants to read more. Just a couple of suggestions.
Cheers
Hernán
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wouldn't most of the problems fixed by pointing beginners to the one click version of Pharo? Michael On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Hernán Morales Durand <hernan.morales@gmail.com> wrote:
Let's suppose I'm a first visitor reading this page:
http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/Downloads?tm=2
" ... A link is given below to get the image ... " There are various links below, specifically what is that link? (Suggestion: anchor the link word)
" ... You can either upgrade your image ... " Any hint or link explaining how?
" ... The virtual machine may be downloaded from ... " Suggestion: " ... The virtual machine [for the X Operating System] may be downloaded from ... " and then "The virtual machine [for the Y Operating System] may be downloaded from ... "
" ... The lastest VM available ... " " ... The latest VM available ... " (typo)
" Pharo files are still hosted at the Pharo INRIA project site. " From an user point of view I don't know why that would be relevant.
" Please head over to http://gforge.inria.fr/frs/?group_id=1299 " To get the image ? the image and VM ? to choose downloading options ? (what I mean is that isn't clear the "image" reference at the beggining of page refers to this link or the "specific files" link below).
" Here are some links to specific files: Pharo Core: Pharo0.1Core-10204.zip " Suggestion: " If you want to do/have/use X, you can download Pharo Core... " " If you want to do/have/use Y, you can download Pharo Developer... " etc.
Final notes: -There is no "Installation instructions" guidelines or link, this commonly is: "When download is completed, uncompress.... get a mysterious .sources file, and then copy the .exe there......" -Still remain assumptions for a first visitor, like he already knows what is an image, a virtual machine. Many first visitors are outsiders and they download first, read later (show me don't tell me). My suggestion is to provide a link/page in key words "image", "virtual machine", I guess there are many sites where this is explained easily; and a reference link, to the SqueakByExample book for example, for people who wants to read more. Just a couple of suggestions.
Cheers
Hernán
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yes the google site is not for beginner On Feb 8, 2009, at 12:12 PM, Michael Rueger wrote:
wouldn't most of the problems fixed by pointing beginners to the one click version of Pharo?
Michael
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Hernán Morales Durand <hernan.morales@gmail.com> wrote:
Let's suppose I'm a first visitor reading this page:
http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/Downloads?tm=2
" ... A link is given below to get the image ... " There are various links below, specifically what is that link? (Suggestion: anchor the link word)
" ... You can either upgrade your image ... " Any hint or link explaining how?
" ... The virtual machine may be downloaded from ... " Suggestion: " ... The virtual machine [for the X Operating System] may be downloaded from ... " and then "The virtual machine [for the Y Operating System] may be downloaded from ... "
" ... The lastest VM available ... " " ... The latest VM available ... " (typo)
" Pharo files are still hosted at the Pharo INRIA project site. " From an user point of view I don't know why that would be relevant.
" Please head over to http://gforge.inria.fr/frs/?group_id=1299 " To get the image ? the image and VM ? to choose downloading options ? (what I mean is that isn't clear the "image" reference at the beggining of page refers to this link or the "specific files" link below).
" Here are some links to specific files: Pharo Core: Pharo0.1Core-10204.zip " Suggestion: " If you want to do/have/use X, you can download Pharo Core... " " If you want to do/have/use Y, you can download Pharo Developer... " etc.
Final notes: -There is no "Installation instructions" guidelines or link, this commonly is: "When download is completed, uncompress.... get a mysterious .sources file, and then copy the .exe there......" -Still remain assumptions for a first visitor, like he already knows what is an image, a virtual machine. Many first visitors are outsiders and they download first, read later (show me don't tell me). My suggestion is to provide a link/page in key words "image", "virtual machine", I guess there are many sites where this is explained easily; and a reference link, to the SqueakByExample book for example, for people who wants to read more. Just a couple of suggestions.
Cheers
Hernán
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Possibly, a one-click image could lighten the initial cognitive load to start using Pharo, but being a begginer do not should imply he must download a specific version, to be careful in this sense means recommend and not impose. One can be a begginer in Pharo but not in Smalltalk, or a begginer with an exploratory mentality, and this exploration could be directed by specific interests (business, research, etc), so I can be a begginer in Pharo and want to see alternatives in the first place. Anyway, I've updated the page http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/Downloads?tm=2 Best regards Hernán 2009/2/8 Michael Rueger <m.rueger@acm.org>
wouldn't most of the problems fixed by pointing beginners to the one click version of Pharo?
Michael
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Hernán Morales Durand <hernan.morales@gmail.com> wrote:
Let's suppose I'm a first visitor reading this page:
http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/Downloads?tm=2
" ... A link is given below to get the image ... " There are various links below, specifically what is that link? (Suggestion: anchor the link word)
" ... You can either upgrade your image ... " Any hint or link explaining how?
" ... The virtual machine may be downloaded from ... " Suggestion: " ... The virtual machine [for the X Operating System] may be downloaded from ... " and then "The virtual machine [for the Y Operating System] may be downloaded from ... "
" ... The lastest VM available ... " " ... The latest VM available ... " (typo)
" Pharo files are still hosted at the Pharo INRIA project site. " From an user point of view I don't know why that would be relevant.
" Please head over to http://gforge.inria.fr/frs/?group_id=1299 " To get the image ? the image and VM ? to choose downloading options ? (what I mean is that isn't clear the "image" reference at the beggining of page refers to this link or the "specific files" link below).
" Here are some links to specific files: Pharo Core: Pharo0.1Core-10204.zip " Suggestion: " If you want to do/have/use X, you can download Pharo Core... " " If you want to do/have/use Y, you can download Pharo Developer... " etc.
Final notes: -There is no "Installation instructions" guidelines or link, this commonly is: "When download is completed, uncompress.... get a mysterious .sources file, and then copy the .exe there......" -Still remain assumptions for a first visitor, like he already knows what is an image, a virtual machine. Many first visitors are outsiders and they download first, read later (show me don't tell me). My suggestion is to provide a link/page in key words "image", "virtual machine", I guess there are many sites where this is explained easily; and a reference link, to the SqueakByExample book for example, for people who wants to read more. Just a couple of suggestions.
Cheers
Hernán
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Hi Hernan, Thanks for the feedback and updating that page. Please note that: - There is no release of Pharo yet, not even a beta version is out, which means that a lot of work, including the web site, is work in progress - The google project is for Pharo core developers, while www.pharo-project.org is for its users If you like to further help with instructions for the google project or the web page, you're welcome! Cheers, Adrian On Feb 8, 2009, at 18:40 , Hernán Morales Durand wrote:
Possibly, a one-click image could lighten the initial cognitive load to start using Pharo, but being a begginer do not should imply he must download a specific version, to be careful in this sense means recommend and not impose. One can be a begginer in Pharo but not in Smalltalk, or a begginer with an exploratory mentality, and this exploration could be directed by specific interests (business, research, etc), so I can be a begginer in Pharo and want to see alternatives in the first place. Anyway, I've updated the page http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/Downloads?tm=2 Best regards
Hernán
2009/2/8 Michael Rueger <m.rueger@acm.org>
wouldn't most of the problems fixed by pointing beginners to the one click version of Pharo?
Michael
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Hernán Morales Durand <hernan.morales@gmail.com> wrote:
Let's suppose I'm a first visitor reading this page:
http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/Downloads?tm=2
" ... A link is given below to get the image ... " There are various links below, specifically what is that link? (Suggestion: anchor the link word)
" ... You can either upgrade your image ... " Any hint or link explaining how?
" ... The virtual machine may be downloaded from ... " Suggestion: " ... The virtual machine [for the X Operating System] may be downloaded from ... " and then "The virtual machine [for the Y Operating System] may be downloaded from ... "
" ... The lastest VM available ... " " ... The latest VM available ... " (typo)
" Pharo files are still hosted at the Pharo INRIA project site. " From an user point of view I don't know why that would be relevant.
" Please head over to http://gforge.inria.fr/frs/?group_id=1299 " To get the image ? the image and VM ? to choose downloading options ? (what I mean is that isn't clear the "image" reference at the beggining of page refers to this link or the "specific files" link below).
" Here are some links to specific files: Pharo Core: Pharo0.1Core-10204.zip " Suggestion: " If you want to do/have/use X, you can download Pharo Core... " " If you want to do/have/use Y, you can download Pharo Developer... " etc.
Final notes: -There is no "Installation instructions" guidelines or link, this commonly is: "When download is completed, uncompress.... get a mysterious .sources file, and then copy the .exe there......" -Still remain assumptions for a first visitor, like he already knows what is an image, a virtual machine. Many first visitors are outsiders and they download first, read later (show me don't tell me). My suggestion is to provide a link/page in key words "image", "virtual machine", I guess there are many sites where this is explained easily; and a reference link, to the SqueakByExample book for example, for people who wants to read more. Just a couple of suggestions.
Cheers
Hernán
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