I have to say, I really don't understand this Twitter thing (I'm getting too old for this sh*t). However, I understand that Twitter can be a powerful tool for branding. The power of social media and all that. So I created a Twitter account. My handle is @smalltalkrenais. I just completed my first "tweet". I'm so proud of myself. I am now officially a Twit. I urge everyone in the Smalltalk community to use Twitter. Tweet about all things Smalltalk. Tweet about the latest Smalltalk news. Tweet about your recent experience or discovery with Smalltalk. I'm only one Twit. However, if there are thousands of us, we can get the word out about Smalltalk and raise public awareness. The thing is, *we must /continually/ tweet in order to keep the Smalltalk meme alive.* I've also created a Facebook page, as well as a Google+ page. (See "Contact Us" on our website <http://smalltalkrenaissance.wordpress.com/> .) Feel free to post on them. This is yet another opportunity to spread the word. Let's make the most of social media to help the cause. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/On-Twitter-tp4797177.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 3:04 AM, horrido <horrido.hobbies@gmail.com> wrote:
I have to say, I really don't understand this Twitter thing (I'm getting too old for this sh*t). However, I understand that Twitter can be a powerful tool for branding. The power of social media and all that.
So I created a Twitter account. My handle is @smalltalkrenais. I just completed my first "tweet". I'm so proud of myself. I am now officially a Twit.
Pharo: https://twitter.com/pharoproject ESUG: https://twitter.com/esugsmalltalk Moose: https://twitter.com/moosetechnology Cincom Smalltalk: https://twitter.com/simplypossible Squeak: https://twitter.com/squeaksmalltalk
Pharo is indeed very active and very informative in Twitter. I used to dislike Twitter but it has become my favourite online tool. I see Twitter as the headlines of newspapers, they are there to give you a very basic idea about specific articles . So I have selected a very small amount of twitter accounts to follow and this way every morning I have a nice newspaper to read the Twitter newspaper with all my favorite topics. Pharo, Python , 3d art, Astronomy and technology. I also take care when I post something to respect my followers and post something meaningful and actually useful to know. There is a lot of nonesense on Twitter but is also very easy to filter out what you don't want. If I had to pick 2 of my favorite online technologies that would be Twitter and Youtube :) On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker@inria.fr> wrote:
On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 3:04 AM, horrido <horrido.hobbies@gmail.com> wrote:
I have to say, I really don't understand this Twitter thing (I'm getting too old for this sh*t). However, I understand that Twitter can be a powerful tool for branding. The power of social media and all that.
So I created a Twitter account. My handle is @smalltalkrenais. I just completed my first "tweet". I'm so proud of myself. I am now officially a Twit.
Pharo: https://twitter.com/pharoproject
ESUG: https://twitter.com/esugsmalltalk Moose: https://twitter.com/moosetechnology Cincom Smalltalk: https://twitter.com/simplypossible Squeak: https://twitter.com/squeaksmalltalk
It would be really nice if we could create a Smalltalk video on Youtube that /goes viral/. Unfortunately, this is not something that can be done on demand. And it takes some very clever imagination (or a genuine character of a filmmaker). After all, technological subjects tend to be rather staid. ;-) -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/On-Twitter-tp4797177p4797240.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
You want to know something funny? Most of the Twitter accounts listed here show that most tweets are actually retweets. If you subtract the retweets, the real number of original tweets is quite small, and spread far apart over time. The *Smalltalk Renaissance* Twitter account has had 16 original tweets in *one week*. And no retweets at all. By this measure, my Twitter account is far more active than anybody else's! I'm looking at Marissa Mayer's Twitter account (she's the Yahoo CEO). She's had 17 tweets over the last 3 months, but 12 of them are retweets! Of course, she has over 861,000 followers and I only have 11, but I'm a more active Twit than she is. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/On-Twitter-tp4797177p4797698.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 4:47 AM, horrido <horrido.hobbies@gmail.com> wrote:
You want to know something funny? Most of the Twitter accounts listed here show that most tweets are actually retweets. If you subtract the retweets, the real number of original tweets is quite small, and spread far apart over time.
The *Smalltalk Renaissance* Twitter account has had 16 original tweets in *one week*. And no retweets at all.
By this measure, my Twitter account is far more active than anybody else's!
I'm looking at Marissa Mayer's Twitter account (she's the Yahoo CEO). She's had 17 tweets over the last 3 months, but 12 of them are retweets! Of course, she has over 861,000 followers and I only have 11, but I'm a more active Twit than she is.
But she has the same impact with a retweet than with an "original" tweet. Doesn't she? She touches 861 thousand people... I don't want to dispute, but I'd like to understand what is it to learn from your statement... - is a retweet less important than an "original" tweet? I never thought so... I follow somebody if his/her tweets (retweets or not) are interesting to me. Also, do not understimate retweets as It means activity in another way. You're reading and following other people and selecting/filtering what is interesting for your followers. That's a lot of effort and thus activity :). - does the amount of followers do not count? I think they do... :/ as with them you have an idea of the impact of a tweet. I mean, this email looks like you're trying to justify what you're doing with some random facts :)... You should do it if you actually feel/believe it, do not look for our approval! This "smalltalk renaissance" thing should not be for us, but for people from outside the community, isn't it? And now I go back to work on my stuff ^^, Guille
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So nicely said Guillermo , I could not agree more with you. Anyone can create an account with random tweets , but to filter out all the bs of the internet to something really important takes a lot of skill and a lot of time. I have seen some people following thousands while I manage to follow 72. So the real questions is not if you are popular or not but how many people actually bother to notice your tweets. Pharo is already doing a very good job in promoting itself, what matters the most and this where I agree with you and with the other people mentioning this , is to contribute and produce code that is worth tweeting. On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 4:47 AM, horrido <horrido.hobbies@gmail.com> wrote:
You want to know something funny? Most of the Twitter accounts listed here show that most tweets are actually retweets. If you subtract the retweets, the real number of original tweets is quite small, and spread far apart over time.
The *Smalltalk Renaissance* Twitter account has had 16 original tweets in *one week*. And no retweets at all.
By this measure, my Twitter account is far more active than anybody else's!
I'm looking at Marissa Mayer's Twitter account (she's the Yahoo CEO). She's had 17 tweets over the last 3 months, but 12 of them are retweets! Of course, she has over 861,000 followers and I only have 11, but I'm a more active Twit than she is.
But she has the same impact with a retweet than with an "original" tweet. Doesn't she? She touches 861 thousand people...
I don't want to dispute, but I'd like to understand what is it to learn from your statement...
- is a retweet less important than an "original" tweet? I never thought so... I follow somebody if his/her tweets (retweets or not) are interesting to me.
Also, do not understimate retweets as It means activity in another way. You're reading and following other people and selecting/filtering what is interesting for your followers. That's a lot of effort and thus activity :).
- does the amount of followers do not count? I think they do... :/ as with them you have an idea of the impact of a tweet.
I mean, this email looks like you're trying to justify what you're doing with some random facts :)... You should do it if you actually feel/believe it, do not look for our approval! This "smalltalk renaissance" thing should not be for us, but for people from outside the community, isn't it?
And now I go back to work on my stuff ^^, Guille
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Thank you for your input. It is very helpful. You're right, retweets can be important, too. I need to put in more effort to draw in more followers. Alas, I don't know where I'm going to find the time. I'm so busy managing all the other stuff (eg, Facebook, Google+, LinkedIn, Amber tutorial, etc.) that I'm starting to get overwhelmed. *This is hard work!* Like I said in the OP, I'm new to this Twitter thing and I really didn't know how to use it. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/On-Twitter-tp4797177p4797724.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 11:08 PM, horrido <horrido.hobbies@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you for your input. It is very helpful.
You're right, retweets can be important, too. I need to put in more effort to draw in more followers. Alas, I don't know where I'm going to find the time. I'm so busy managing all the other stuff (eg, Facebook, Google+, LinkedIn, Amber tutorial, etc.) that I'm starting to get overwhelmed. *This is hard work!*
You've leaped in with great enthusiasm and spread yourself too thin? Sounds all too common. Better to do a few things well, so you can enjoy doing it. Half doing something is not so much fun. Don't let yourself get overwhelmed with too high expectations. Building takes time. Keep chipping away at small goals, and make sure you have fun.
Like I said in the OP, I'm new to this Twitter thing and I really didn't know how to use it.
Maybe you need to drop something, and/or soak up using Twitter in a non-Smalltalk way to "get it." Actually I've never used it myself. I must be getting old :) cheers -ben
You're quite right. I guess I should focus on *one thing* right now before it gets lost in the shuffle: Complete and publish my Amber tutorial. I have a lot of work ahead of me in this one. For the time being, I'll cut back on my tweets and Facebook and Google+. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/On-Twitter-tp4797177p4797843.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
On 05 Jan 2015, at 15:28, horrido <horrido.hobbies@gmail.com> wrote:
You're quite right. I guess I should focus on *one thing* right now before it gets lost in the shuffle: Complete and publish my Amber tutorial. I have a lot of work ahead of me in this one.
Not that I have anything against Amber, but why pick that one ? Everybody seems to think something along the lines of 'JavaScript is very popular, if only we get on that platform and we'll be all set' - I don't think that is the case. Even Amber's original developer is now working full time on JavaScript, yet does no longer seem to use it. Also, on technical grounds it could be argued that Amber misses a number of critical Smalltalk features (thisContext, #become:). Furthermore, it is slower and has a only a limited IDE. Other than that, focus is good.
For the time being, I'll cut back on my tweets and Facebook and Google+.
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven@stfx.eu> wrote:
On 05 Jan 2015, at 15:28, horrido <horrido.hobbies@gmail.com> wrote:
You're quite right. I guess I should focus on *one thing* right now before it gets lost in the shuffle: Complete and publish my Amber tutorial. I have a lot of work ahead of me in this one.
Not that I have anything against Amber, but why pick that one ?
Everybody seems to think something along the lines of 'JavaScript is very popular, if only we get on that platform and we'll be all set' - I don't think that is the case. Even Amber's original developer is now working full time on JavaScript, yet does no longer seem to use it.
Hey, Amber is alive! 0.14 just out. Herby does a good job, examples are refined, we are injecting effort in it. It takes a while to get things to 1.0. We can't afford to pass on SPAs and it is not with Seaside that we'll do it.
Also, on technical grounds it could be argued that Amber misses a number of critical Smalltalk features (thisContext, #become:). Furthermore, it is slower and has a only a limited IDE.
thisContext and become: aren't in but even like that, the prototyping power of Amber is strong even if tooling can be improved (first the core, then the bells and whistles). Javascript also has features that Smalltalk doesn't have. So, it is a give or take game. If anything, Amber helps one into understanding the current Javascript ways in a quite good manner. It does for me.
Other than that, focus is good.
For the time being, I'll cut back on my tweets and Facebook and Google+.
On 05 Jan 2015, at 16:09, phil@highoctane.be wrote:
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven@stfx.eu> wrote:
On 05 Jan 2015, at 15:28, horrido <horrido.hobbies@gmail.com> wrote:
You're quite right. I guess I should focus on *one thing* right now before it gets lost in the shuffle: Complete and publish my Amber tutorial. I have a lot of work ahead of me in this one.
Not that I have anything against Amber, but why pick that one ?
Everybody seems to think something along the lines of 'JavaScript is very popular, if only we get on that platform and we'll be all set' - I don't think that is the case. Even Amber's original developer is now working full time on JavaScript, yet does no longer seem to use it.
Hey, Amber is alive! 0.14 just out. Herby does a good job, examples are refined, we are injecting effort in it.
Yes I know, and it *is* an interesting project, for sure. But my remark was in the context of The Smalltalk Renaissance - does it really fit ? Is it the best poster child ?
It takes a while to get things to 1.0. We can't afford to pass on SPAs and it is not with Seaside that we'll do it.
Also, on technical grounds it could be argued that Amber misses a number of critical Smalltalk features (thisContext, #become:). Furthermore, it is slower and has a only a limited IDE.
thisContext and become: aren't in but even like that, the prototyping power of Amber is strong even if tooling can be improved (first the core, then the bells and whistles).
Javascript also has features that Smalltalk doesn't have. So, it is a give or take game. If anything, Amber helps one into understanding the current Javascript ways in a quite good manner. It does for me.
Other than that, focus is good.
For the time being, I'll cut back on my tweets and Facebook and Google+.
SRP has poster children. But seriously, Pharo is the "poster child". Seaside and Amber are the poster children representing the web. I'm focussed on Amber because I firmly believe that Smalltalk must have a good client-side story. The web is so important to the future of Smalltalk. Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote
Yes I know, and it *is* an interesting project, for sure.
But my remark was in the context of The Smalltalk Renaissance - does it really fit ? Is it the best poster child ?
-- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/On-Twitter-tp4797177p4797863.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Just wondering, did you actually see this page: http://pharo.org/success ? This is all real, commercially successful stuff. Not that we don't need more traction, but it is important to understand and know what is already there.
On 05 Jan 2015, at 16:41, horrido <horrido.hobbies@gmail.com> wrote:
SRP has poster children.
But seriously, Pharo is the "poster child". Seaside and Amber are the poster children representing the web.
I'm focussed on Amber because I firmly believe that Smalltalk must have a good client-side story. The web is so important to the future of Smalltalk.
Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote
Yes I know, and it *is* an interesting project, for sure.
But my remark was in the context of The Smalltalk Renaissance - does it really fit ? Is it the best poster child ?
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On Jan 5, 2015, at 2:02 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven@stfx.eu> wrote:
Just wondering, did you actually see this page:
http://pharo.org/success <http://pharo.org/success>
?
This is all real, commercially successful stuff.
Not that we don't need more traction, but it is important to understand and know what is already there.
+1 Thatâs a good starting point Richard. Idea: if you interview the people beyond those cases it will make everything more interesting for everybody
That's a really, really good idea! Thanks! sebastian@flowingconcept.com wrote
On Jan 5, 2015, at 2:02 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <
sven@
> wrote:
Just wondering, did you actually see this page:
http://pharo.org/success <http://pharo.org/success>;
?
This is all real, commercially successful stuff.
Not that we don't need more traction, but it is important to understand and know what is already there.
+1
Thatâs a good starting point Richard.
Idea: if you interview the people beyond those cases it will make everything more interesting for everybody
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Actually, this Smalltalk Renaissance thing is precisely for you. Without your *support*, I do not have a campaign, I'm just spinning my wheels. Guillermo Polito wrote
You should do it if you actually feel/believe it, do not look for our approval! This "smalltalk renaissance" thing should not be for us, but for people from outside the community, isn't it?
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Whoa! This is good! I didn't know about these. We should have more Twitter accounts, though. We need more participation *from the rank and file* of the Smalltalk community. Just saying. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/On-Twitter-tp4797177p4797202.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Whoa! This is good! I didn't know about these.
We should have more Twitter accounts, though. We need more participation
from the rank and file
https://www.twitter.com/renggli/lists/smalltalk-people https://twitter.com/renggli/lists/smalltalk-companies horrido wrote * *
of the Smalltalk community. Just saying.
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Ben Coman -
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stepharo -
Sven Van Caekenberghe