Is unusable on some brightness settings: the scroll bars become invisible to my old eyes :) Thierry -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95
yesterday I also adding settings for IconSet... so you should be able to play around with themes and icons :) On Oct 18, 2013, at 10:06 AM, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier@cea.fr> wrote:
Is unusable on some brightness settings: the scroll bars become invisible to my old eyes :)
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I completely agree, I hate it as much I hate apples new scroll bar, that disappear as soon as you stop scrolling with magic mouse making them impossible to use manually. Also what with all the white ? I seriously need to make a dark theme for pharo, my eyes start hurting ..... aaaaaaaaaaaa ;D On Friday, 18 October 2013, 11:02, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote: yesterday I also adding settings for IconSet... so you should be able to play around with themes and icons :) On Oct 18, 2013, at 10:06 AM, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier@cea.fr> wrote:
Is unusable on some brightness settings: the scroll bars become invisible to my old eyes :)
Thierry -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95
I started to experiment with a dark theme (after Phil asked it). The problem is that everything in morphic is so crapy programmed that remove the hardcoding stuff is incredible hard. Anyway, I have an initial design that could work (at least for the simple skins), now it remains the work of decoupling the skin from the morphs... no idea when I will finish anyway. Esteban On Oct 18, 2013, at 10:26 AM, dimitris chloupis <thekilon@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
I completely agree, I hate it as much I hate apples new scroll bar, that disappear as soon as you stop scrolling with magic mouse making them impossible to use manually. Also what with all the white ? I seriously need to make a dark theme for pharo, my eyes start hurting ..... aaaaaaaaaaaa ;D
On Friday, 18 October 2013, 11:02, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote: yesterday I also adding settings for IconSet... so you should be able to play around with themes and icons :)
On Oct 18, 2013, at 10:06 AM, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier@cea.fr> wrote:
Is unusable on some brightness settings: the scroll bars become invisible to my old eyes :)
Thierry -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95
On 18 Oct 2013, at 10:33, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote:
I started to experiment with a dark theme (after Phil asked it). The problem is that everything in morphic is so crapy programmed that remove the hardcoding stuff is incredible hard. Anyway, I have an initial design that could work (at least for the simple skins), now it remains the work of decoupling the skin from the morphs... no idea when I will finish anyway.
You do too much, Esteban ;-) I am sure that other will try to help once you get something experimental out of the door.
Esteban
On Oct 18, 2013, at 10:26 AM, dimitris chloupis <thekilon@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
I completely agree, I hate it as much I hate apples new scroll bar, that disappear as soon as you stop scrolling with magic mouse making them impossible to use manually. Also what with all the white ? I seriously need to make a dark theme for pharo, my eyes start hurting ..... aaaaaaaaaaaa ;D
On Friday, 18 October 2013, 11:02, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote: yesterday I also adding settings for IconSet... so you should be able to play around with themes and icons :)
On Oct 18, 2013, at 10:06 AM, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier@cea.fr> wrote:
Is unusable on some brightness settings: the scroll bars become invisible to my old eyes :)
Thierry -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95
Le 18/10/2013 10:33, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit :
I started to experiment with a dark theme (after Phil asked it).
You've beaten me to it! But I know that I'm having too much on my plate at the moment.
The problem is that everything in morphic is so crapy programmed that remove the hardcoding stuff is incredible hard.
One of the reason why I wasn't rushing to it :):)
Anyway, I have an initial design that could work (at least for the simple skins), now it remains the work of decoupling the skin from the morphs... no idea when I will finish anyway.
Could you reuse the Pharo theme and change the color scheme here? I expected that dark theme issue and related work to be a good test bed to redesign / modularize the theme software architecture, but if people need it, then rushing a bit and refactoring later could be the way to go. Thierry
Esteban
On Oct 18, 2013, at 10:26 AM, dimitris chloupis <thekilon@yahoo.co.uk <mailto:thekilon@yahoo.co.uk>> wrote:
I completely agree, I hate it as much I hate apples new scroll bar, that disappear as soon as you stop scrolling with magic mouse making them impossible to use manually. Also what with all the white ? I seriously need to make a dark theme for pharo, my eyes start hurting ..... aaaaaaaaaaaa ;D
On Friday, 18 October 2013, 11:02, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com <mailto:estebanlm@gmail.com>> wrote: yesterday I also adding settings for IconSet... so you should be able to play around with themes and icons :)
On Oct 18, 2013, at 10:06 AM, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier@cea.fr <mailto:thierry.goubier@cea.fr>> wrote:
Is unusable on some brightness settings: the scroll bars become invisible to my old eyes :)
Thierry -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95
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On Oct 18, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier@cea.fr> wrote:
Le 18/10/2013 10:33, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit :
I started to experiment with a dark theme (after Phil asked it).
You've beaten me to it! But I know that I'm having too much on my plate at the moment.
yeah, me too... but I also have insomnia, and those nights I usually hack something (only condition is: no regular work, just things I'm curious or exited) :)
The problem is that everything in morphic is so crapy programmed that remove the hardcoding stuff is incredible hard.
One of the reason why I wasn't rushing to it :):)
Anyway, I have an initial design that could work (at least for the simple skins), now it remains the work of decoupling the skin from the morphs... no idea when I will finish anyway.
Could you reuse the Pharo theme and change the color scheme here? I expected that dark theme issue and related work to be a good test bed to redesign / modularize the theme software architecture, but if people need it, then rushing a bit and refactoring later could be the way to go.
yes, but even the basics is hard to achieve. So far my design is simple: let the morphs skins themselves, using a theme (or the default), and double dispatch to ensure decoupling... The design works, the problem is the cleanup needed to make it work (tons of places where colors and others are hardcoded). Take this as an example: Text class>>fromString: aString "Answer an instance of me whose characters are those of the argument, aString." | defaultFontStyle fontNumber | defaultFontStyle := TextStyle default. fontNumber := defaultFontStyle ifNil: 1 ifNotNil: [defaultFontStyle defaultFontIndex]. ^ self string: aString attributes:{ (TextFontChange fontNumber: fontNumber). ( TextColor color: Color black ) } The problem is that this is constructing a Text object with hardcoded default attributes (which btw, are non necessary). That means if you have a black (or darkGray) bg for your text areas, as soon as you accept (it creates a "clean text object") you will not be able to see your text :) Other thing is that many of this stuff are not just bad, but also useless, I rewrote that method as: ^ self string: aString attributes: {} and everything continues working exactly as before (with the difference that now a black bg works :) Esteban
Thierry
Esteban
On Oct 18, 2013, at 10:26 AM, dimitris chloupis <thekilon@yahoo.co.uk <mailto:thekilon@yahoo.co.uk>> wrote:
I completely agree, I hate it as much I hate apples new scroll bar, that disappear as soon as you stop scrolling with magic mouse making them impossible to use manually. Also what with all the white ? I seriously need to make a dark theme for pharo, my eyes start hurting ..... aaaaaaaaaaaa ;D
On Friday, 18 October 2013, 11:02, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com <mailto:estebanlm@gmail.com>> wrote: yesterday I also adding settings for IconSet... so you should be able to play around with themes and icons :)
On Oct 18, 2013, at 10:06 AM, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier@cea.fr <mailto:thierry.goubier@cea.fr>> wrote:
Is unusable on some brightness settings: the scroll bars become invisible to my old eyes :)
Thierry -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95
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Le 18/10/2013 11:18, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit :
On Oct 18, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier@cea.fr> wrote:
Le 18/10/2013 10:33, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit :
I started to experiment with a dark theme (after Phil asked it).
You've beaten me to it! But I know that I'm having too much on my plate at the moment.
yeah, me too... but I also have insomnia, and those nights I usually hack something (only condition is: no regular work, just things I'm curious or exited) :)
I now have so little time to myself that I can only focus on things I like :) And destroying dry walls is on my leisure schedule, not Pharo coding...
The problem is that everything in morphic is so crapy programmed that remove the hardcoding stuff is incredible hard.
One of the reason why I wasn't rushing to it :):)
Anyway, I have an initial design that could work (at least for the simple skins), now it remains the work of decoupling the skin from the morphs... no idea when I will finish anyway.
Could you reuse the Pharo theme and change the color scheme here? I expected that dark theme issue and related work to be a good test bed to redesign / modularize the theme software architecture, but if people need it, then rushing a bit and refactoring later could be the way to go.
yes, but even the basics is hard to achieve. So far my design is simple: let the morphs skins themselves, using a theme (or the default), and double dispatch to ensure decoupling...
The design works, the problem is the cleanup needed to make it work (tons of places where colors and others are hardcoded). Take this as an example:
Text class>>fromString: aString "Answer an instance of me whose characters are those of the argument, aString."
| defaultFontStyle fontNumber |
defaultFontStyle := TextStyle default. fontNumber := defaultFontStyle ifNil: 1 ifNotNil: [defaultFontStyle defaultFontIndex].
^ self string: aString attributes:{ (TextFontChange fontNumber: fontNumber). ( TextColor color: Color black ) }
The problem is that this is constructing a Text object with hardcoded default attributes (which btw, are non necessary). That means if you have a black (or darkGray) bg for your text areas, as soon as you accept (it creates a "clean text object") you will not be able to see your text :) Other thing is that many of this stuff are not just bad, but also useless, I rewrote that method as:
^ self string: aString attributes: {}
and everything continues working exactly as before (with the difference that now a black bg works :)
Impressive, really! Thierry -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95
Yeah, that's really what I experienced when trying that out. Now, the good thing about doing such a thing (and I am ready to help if you want) is that we would be able to start doing UIs in the same vein as Adobe Lightroom for example. That's would be really great. It is one reason why I started looking into dark as well. Phil On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com>wrote:
I started to experiment with a dark theme (after Phil asked it). The problem is that everything in morphic is so crapy programmed that remove the hardcoding stuff is incredible hard. Anyway, I have an initial design that could work (at least for the simple skins), now it remains the work of decoupling the skin from the morphs... no idea when I will finish anyway.
Esteban
On Oct 18, 2013, at 10:26 AM, dimitris chloupis <thekilon@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
I completely agree, I hate it as much I hate apples new scroll bar, that disappear as soon as you stop scrolling with magic mouse making them impossible to use manually. Also what with all the white ? I seriously need to make a dark theme for pharo, my eyes start hurting ..... aaaaaaaaaaaa ;D
On Friday, 18 October 2013, 11:02, Esteban Lorenzano < estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote: yesterday I also adding settings for IconSet... so you should be able to play around with themes and icons :)
On Oct 18, 2013, at 10:06 AM, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier@cea.fr> wrote:
Is unusable on some brightness settings: the scroll bars become invisible to my old eyes :)
Thierry -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95
On Oct 18, 2013, at 10:26 , dimitris chloupis <thekilon@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
I completely agree, I hate it as much I hate apples new scroll bar, that disappear as soon as you stop scrolling with magic mouse making them impossible to use manually.
Preferences -> General -> Show scroll bars ;) Cheers, Henry
Le 18/10/2013 10:01, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit :
yesterday I also adding settings for IconSet... so you should be able to play around with themes and icons :)
That one works perfectly, thanks :)
On Oct 18, 2013, at 10:06 AM, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier@cea.fr> wrote:
Is unusable on some brightness settings: the scroll bars become invisible to my old eyes :)
Thierry -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95
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