[ANN] Phratch 3.0 released
Phratch 3.0 is out of the box, good news ! Phratch 3.0 is cleaner, faster and more stable. Phratch 3.0 is on top of Pharo 3.0 Thanks to the 30 students of Ecole des Mines de Douai, who use Phratch + Jetstorm, we improved a lot the stability and the rapidity of phratch. Now, we can say that it is usable. There is no new feature in phratch3.0. It is a release for usability. Only one big change: we know that sound does not work on each platform, so we decided to push sound features in an add-on. This makes us thinking about modularity for the next release. Letâs go for phratch4.0 ! Some new things arrived also on the website: new font style, section goodies. In the goodies section, you can support us by buying goodies, or just with a donation. A last thing: Phratch begin to work on RaspberryPi, thanks to JB Arnaud for the VM. As NativeBoost is not yet implemented, some features do not work. For example, when launching phratch on RPi, there is a NativeBoost error due to a file access. There is a lot of things to do with phratch, you are welcome to contribute ! See you on phratch.com Jannik -- ~~Jannik Laval~~ Ãcole des Mines de Douai Enseignant-chercheur http://www.jannik-laval.eu http://www.phratch.com http://car.mines-douai.fr/
Bravo Jannik ! On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 8:27 AM, jannik laval <jannik.laval@gmail.com> wrote:
Phratch 3.0 is out of the box, good news !
Phratch 3.0 is cleaner, faster and more stable. Phratch 3.0 is on top of Pharo 3.0
Thanks to the 30 students of Ecole des Mines de Douai, who use Phratch + Jetstorm, we improved a lot the stability and the rapidity of phratch. Now, we can say that it is usable.
There is no new feature in phratch3.0. It is a release for usability.
Only one big change: we know that sound does not work on each platform, so we decided to push sound features in an add-on.
This makes us thinking about modularity for the next release. Letâs go for phratch4.0 !
Some new things arrived also on the website: new font style, section goodies. In the goodies section, you can support us by buying goodies, or just with a donation.
A last thing: Phratch begin to work on RaspberryPi, thanks to JB Arnaud for the VM. As NativeBoost is not yet implemented, some features do not work. For example, when launching phratch on RPi, there is a NativeBoost error due to a file access.
There is a lot of things to do with phratch, you are welcome to contribute ! See you on phratch.com
Jannik
--
~~Jannik Laval~~ Ãcole des Mines de Douai Enseignant-chercheur http://www.jannik-laval.eu http://www.phratch.com http://car.mines-douai.fr/
-- Serge Stinckwich UCBN & UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC) Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/
Superb! Stef On 10/5/14 08:27, jannik laval wrote:
Phratch 3.0 is out of the box, good news !
Phratch 3.0 is cleaner, faster and more stable. Phratch 3.0 is on top of Pharo 3.0
Thanks to the 30 students of Ecole des Mines de Douai, who use Phratch + Jetstorm, we improved a lot the stability and the rapidity of phratch. Now, we can say that it is usable.
There is no new feature in phratch3.0. It is a release for usability.
Only one big change: we know that sound does not work on each platform, so we decided to push sound features in an add-on.
This makes us thinking about modularity for the next release. Letâs go for phratch4.0 !
Some new things arrived also on the website: new font style, section goodies. In the goodies section, you can support us by buying goodies, or just with a donation.
A last thing: Phratch begin to work on RaspberryPi, thanks to JB Arnaud for the VM. As NativeBoost is not yet implemented, some features do not work. For example, when launching phratch on RPi, there is a NativeBoost error due to a file access.
There is a lot of things to do with phratch, you are welcome to contribute ! See you on phratch.com <http://phratch.com>
Jannik
--
~~Jannik Laval~~ Ãcole des Mines de Douai Enseignant-chercheur http://www.jannik-laval.eu http://www.phratch.com http://car.mines-douai.fr/
great work, keep it up, definitely giving it a try . do you target kids only or is it adult too ? I mean whether you have the goal to offer more advanced libraries in the future, like vector graphics, bone animation , 3d graphics etc. On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 10:16 AM, stepharo <stepharo@free.fr> wrote:
Superb!
Stef
On 10/5/14 08:27, jannik laval wrote:
Phratch 3.0 is out of the box, good news !
Phratch 3.0 is cleaner, faster and more stable. Phratch 3.0 is on top of Pharo 3.0
Thanks to the 30 students of Ecole des Mines de Douai, who use Phratch + Jetstorm, we improved a lot the stability and the rapidity of phratch. Now, we can say that it is usable.
There is no new feature in phratch3.0. It is a release for usability.
Only one big change: we know that sound does not work on each platform, so we decided to push sound features in an add-on.
This makes us thinking about modularity for the next release. Letâs go for phratch4.0 !
Some new things arrived also on the website: new font style, section goodies. In the goodies section, you can support us by buying goodies, or just with a donation.
A last thing: Phratch begin to work on RaspberryPi, thanks to JB Arnaud for the VM. As NativeBoost is not yet implemented, some features do not work. For example, when launching phratch on RPi, there is a NativeBoost error due to a file access.
There is a lot of things to do with phratch, you are welcome to contribute ! See you on phratch.com
Jannik
--
~~Jannik Laval~~ Ãcole des Mines de Douai Enseignant-chercheur http://www.jannik-laval.eu http://www.phratch.com http://car.mines-douai.fr/
2014-05-10 10:10 GMT+02:00 kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com>:
great work, keep it up, definitely giving it a try .
Thank you.
do you target kids only or is it adult too ? I mean whether you have the goal to offer more advanced libraries in the future, like vector graphics, bone animation , 3d graphics etc.
For me the part for children is the part from Scratch. Now, I extended and created phratch for adult. The idea is to prototype easily, without remembering the source code, or learning source code. For example, to use the robot Ev3, it is really easy to obtain something that works without knowing the API. I have a lot of idea to extend phratch, for example: - add an API on top of Roassal - add an API for Arduino All should be done, but I need time or contributors :) Cheers, Jannik
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 10:16 AM, stepharo <stepharo@free.fr> wrote:
Superb!
Stef
On 10/5/14 08:27, jannik laval wrote:
Phratch 3.0 is out of the box, good news !
Phratch 3.0 is cleaner, faster and more stable. Phratch 3.0 is on top of Pharo 3.0
Thanks to the 30 students of Ecole des Mines de Douai, who use Phratch + Jetstorm, we improved a lot the stability and the rapidity of phratch. Now, we can say that it is usable.
There is no new feature in phratch3.0. It is a release for usability.
Only one big change: we know that sound does not work on each platform, so we decided to push sound features in an add-on.
This makes us thinking about modularity for the next release. Letâs go for phratch4.0 !
Some new things arrived also on the website: new font style, section goodies. In the goodies section, you can support us by buying goodies, or just with a donation.
A last thing: Phratch begin to work on RaspberryPi, thanks to JB Arnaud for the VM. As NativeBoost is not yet implemented, some features do not work. For example, when launching phratch on RPi, there is a NativeBoost error due to a file access.
There is a lot of things to do with phratch, you are welcome to contribute ! See you on phratch.com
Jannik
--
~~Jannik Laval~~ Ãcole des Mines de Douai Enseignant-chercheur http://www.jannik-laval.eu http://www.phratch.com http://car.mines-douai.fr/
-- ~~Jannik Laval~~ Ãcole des Mines de Douai Enseignant-chercheur http://www.jannik-laval.eu http://www.phratch.com http://car.mines-douai.fr/
well I will keep an eye on it , its certainly interesting . I also love that you expose the full Pharo IDE to the user. I may contribute at some point, I promise nothing but creating a tool that is easy to use for adults with no knowledge of coding is certainly my goal too. I will take a deep look into it and who knows maybe I can help you with it even a tiny bit. is this the main repo ? http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~JLaval/Phratch On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 11:22 AM, jannik laval <jannik.laval@gmail.com>wrote:
2014-05-10 10:10 GMT+02:00 kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com>:
great work, keep it up, definitely giving it a try .
Thank you.
do you target kids only or is it adult too ? I mean whether you have the goal to offer more advanced libraries in the future, like vector graphics, bone animation , 3d graphics etc.
For me the part for children is the part from Scratch. Now, I extended and created phratch for adult. The idea is to prototype easily, without remembering the source code, or learning source code.
For example, to use the robot Ev3, it is really easy to obtain something that works without knowing the API.
I have a lot of idea to extend phratch, for example: - add an API on top of Roassal - add an API for Arduino
All should be done, but I need time or contributors :) Cheers, Jannik
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 10:16 AM, stepharo <stepharo@free.fr> wrote:
Superb!
Stef
On 10/5/14 08:27, jannik laval wrote:
Phratch 3.0 is out of the box, good news !
Phratch 3.0 is cleaner, faster and more stable. Phratch 3.0 is on top of Pharo 3.0
Thanks to the 30 students of Ecole des Mines de Douai, who use Phratch + Jetstorm, we improved a lot the stability and the rapidity of phratch. Now, we can say that it is usable.
There is no new feature in phratch3.0. It is a release for usability.
Only one big change: we know that sound does not work on each platform, so we decided to push sound features in an add-on.
This makes us thinking about modularity for the next release. Letâs go for phratch4.0 !
Some new things arrived also on the website: new font style, section goodies. In the goodies section, you can support us by buying goodies, or just with a donation.
A last thing: Phratch begin to work on RaspberryPi, thanks to JB Arnaud for the VM. As NativeBoost is not yet implemented, some features do not work. For example, when launching phratch on RPi, there is a NativeBoost error due to a file access.
There is a lot of things to do with phratch, you are welcome to contribute ! See you on phratch.com
Jannik
--
~~Jannik Laval~~ Ãcole des Mines de Douai Enseignant-chercheur http://www.jannik-laval.eu http://www.phratch.com http://car.mines-douai.fr/
--
~~Jannik Laval~~ Ãcole des Mines de Douai Enseignant-chercheur http://www.jannik-laval.eu http://www.phratch.com http://car.mines-douai.fr/
Thank you for your help ! 2014-05-10 10:46 GMT+02:00 kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com>:
well I will keep an eye on it , its certainly interesting . I also love that you expose the full Pharo IDE to the user. I may contribute at some point, I promise nothing but creating a tool that is easy to use for adults with no knowledge of coding is certainly my goal too. I will take a deep look into it and who knows maybe I can help you with it even a tiny bit.
is this the main repo ? http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~JLaval/Phratch
Yes it is. There is also a ci: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/view/Phratch/ And an issue tracker: https://code.google.com/p/phratch/ Cheers, Jannik
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 11:22 AM, jannik laval <jannik.laval@gmail.com>wrote:
2014-05-10 10:10 GMT+02:00 kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com>:
great work, keep it up, definitely giving it a try .
Thank you.
do you target kids only or is it adult too ? I mean whether you have the goal to offer more advanced libraries in the future, like vector graphics, bone animation , 3d graphics etc.
For me the part for children is the part from Scratch. Now, I extended and created phratch for adult. The idea is to prototype easily, without remembering the source code, or learning source code.
For example, to use the robot Ev3, it is really easy to obtain something that works without knowing the API.
I have a lot of idea to extend phratch, for example: - add an API on top of Roassal - add an API for Arduino
All should be done, but I need time or contributors :) Cheers, Jannik
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 10:16 AM, stepharo <stepharo@free.fr> wrote:
Superb!
Stef
On 10/5/14 08:27, jannik laval wrote:
Phratch 3.0 is out of the box, good news !
Phratch 3.0 is cleaner, faster and more stable. Phratch 3.0 is on top of Pharo 3.0
Thanks to the 30 students of Ecole des Mines de Douai, who use Phratch + Jetstorm, we improved a lot the stability and the rapidity of phratch. Now, we can say that it is usable.
There is no new feature in phratch3.0. It is a release for usability.
Only one big change: we know that sound does not work on each platform, so we decided to push sound features in an add-on.
This makes us thinking about modularity for the next release. Letâs go for phratch4.0 !
Some new things arrived also on the website: new font style, section goodies. In the goodies section, you can support us by buying goodies, or just with a donation.
A last thing: Phratch begin to work on RaspberryPi, thanks to JB Arnaud for the VM. As NativeBoost is not yet implemented, some features do not work. For example, when launching phratch on RPi, there is a NativeBoost error due to a file access.
There is a lot of things to do with phratch, you are welcome to contribute ! See you on phratch.com
Jannik
--
~~Jannik Laval~~ Ãcole des Mines de Douai Enseignant-chercheur http://www.jannik-laval.eu http://www.phratch.com http://car.mines-douai.fr/
--
~~Jannik Laval~~ Ãcole des Mines de Douai Enseignant-chercheur http://www.jannik-laval.eu http://www.phratch.com http://car.mines-douai.fr/
-- ~~Jannik Laval~~ Ãcole des Mines de Douai Enseignant-chercheur http://www.jannik-laval.eu http://www.phratch.com http://car.mines-douai.fr/
Great! Did you test this new build on Android tablet regarding the fluidity? Thanks Hilaire Le 10/05/2014 08:27, jannik laval a écrit :
Phratch 3.0 is cleaner, faster and more stable.
-- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu
Not for now, I will try asap. Jannik 2014-05-10 12:44 GMT+02:00 Hilaire Fernandes <hilaire.fernandes@gmail.com>:
Great! Did you test this new build on Android tablet regarding the fluidity?
Thanks
Hilaire
Le 10/05/2014 08:27, jannik laval a écrit :
Phratch 3.0 is cleaner, faster and more stable.
-- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu
-- ~~Jannik Laval~~ Ãcole des Mines de Douai Enseignant-chercheur http://www.jannik-laval.eu http://www.phratch.com http://car.mines-douai.fr/
just for your information Phratch does not load from Configuration Browser, it just displays the same warning again and again about using a deprecated method. But the main download zip file works fine. Wow this works on Android too ? awesome. How ? On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 10:50 PM, jannik laval <jannik.laval@gmail.com>wrote:
Not for now, I will try asap.
Jannik
2014-05-10 12:44 GMT+02:00 Hilaire Fernandes <hilaire.fernandes@gmail.com> :
Great!
Did you test this new build on Android tablet regarding the fluidity?
Thanks
Hilaire
Le 10/05/2014 08:27, jannik laval a écrit :
Phratch 3.0 is cleaner, faster and more stable.
-- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu
--
~~Jannik Laval~~ Ãcole des Mines de Douai Enseignant-chercheur http://www.jannik-laval.eu http://www.phratch.com http://car.mines-douai.fr/
2014-05-10 22:19 GMT+02:00 kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com>:
just for your information Phratch does not load from Configuration Browser, it just displays the same warning again and again about using a deprecated method.
Hum, I have to update the config in config browser. I will do that in 10 minutes. Thank you for the report
But the main download zip file works fine.
Wow this works on Android too ? awesome. How ?
Not sure the version 3.0 is working. I am using this process: http://www.phratch.com/archives/408 Cheers, Jannik
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 10:50 PM, jannik laval <jannik.laval@gmail.com>wrote:
Not for now, I will try asap.
Jannik
2014-05-10 12:44 GMT+02:00 Hilaire Fernandes <hilaire.fernandes@gmail.com
:
Great!
Did you test this new build on Android tablet regarding the fluidity?
Thanks
Hilaire
Le 10/05/2014 08:27, jannik laval a écrit :
Phratch 3.0 is cleaner, faster and more stable.
-- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu
--
~~Jannik Laval~~ Ãcole des Mines de Douai Enseignant-chercheur http://www.jannik-laval.eu http://www.phratch.com http://car.mines-douai.fr/
-- ~~Jannik Laval~~ Ãcole des Mines de Douai Enseignant-chercheur http://www.jannik-laval.eu http://www.phratch.com http://car.mines-douai.fr/
ah ok because my experience with squeak port to android was with sticky clicks, that made it impossible to operate it on a multi touch screen. It did not know when I lift my finger so every touch was just moving a window I selected instead of seeing it as a single click. But its great your are interested in android too. On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 11:23 PM, jannik laval <jannik.laval@gmail.com>wrote:
2014-05-10 22:19 GMT+02:00 kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com>:
just for your information Phratch does not load from Configuration
Browser, it just displays the same warning again and again about using a deprecated method.
Hum, I have to update the config in config browser. I will do that in 10 minutes.
Thank you for the report
But the main download zip file works fine.
Wow this works on Android too ? awesome. How ?
Not sure the version 3.0 is working. I am using this process: http://www.phratch.com/archives/408
Cheers, Jannik
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 10:50 PM, jannik laval <jannik.laval@gmail.com>wrote:
Not for now, I will try asap.
Jannik
2014-05-10 12:44 GMT+02:00 Hilaire Fernandes < hilaire.fernandes@gmail.com>:
Great!
Did you test this new build on Android tablet regarding the fluidity?
Thanks
Hilaire
Le 10/05/2014 08:27, jannik laval a écrit :
Phratch 3.0 is cleaner, faster and more stable.
-- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu
--
~~Jannik Laval~~ Ãcole des Mines de Douai Enseignant-chercheur http://www.jannik-laval.eu http://www.phratch.com http://car.mines-douai.fr/
--
~~Jannik Laval~~ Ãcole des Mines de Douai Enseignant-chercheur http://www.jannik-laval.eu http://www.phratch.com http://car.mines-douai.fr/
I just tried and with Pharo3.0, the android version seems not working (I have a black screen). So, it needs more effort to make it work :( Jannik 2014-05-10 22:35 GMT+02:00 kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com>:
ah ok because my experience with squeak port to android was with sticky clicks, that made it impossible to operate it on a multi touch screen. It did not know when I lift my finger so every touch was just moving a window I selected instead of seeing it as a single click.
But its great your are interested in android too.
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 11:23 PM, jannik laval <jannik.laval@gmail.com>wrote:
2014-05-10 22:19 GMT+02:00 kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com>:
just for your information Phratch does not load from Configuration
Browser, it just displays the same warning again and again about using a deprecated method.
Hum, I have to update the config in config browser. I will do that in 10 minutes.
Thank you for the report
But the main download zip file works fine.
Wow this works on Android too ? awesome. How ?
Not sure the version 3.0 is working. I am using this process: http://www.phratch.com/archives/408
Cheers, Jannik
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 10:50 PM, jannik laval <jannik.laval@gmail.com>wrote:
Not for now, I will try asap.
Jannik
2014-05-10 12:44 GMT+02:00 Hilaire Fernandes < hilaire.fernandes@gmail.com>:
Great!
Did you test this new build on Android tablet regarding the fluidity?
Thanks
Hilaire
Le 10/05/2014 08:27, jannik laval a écrit :
Phratch 3.0 is cleaner, faster and more stable.
-- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu
--
~~Jannik Laval~~ Ãcole des Mines de Douai Enseignant-chercheur http://www.jannik-laval.eu http://www.phratch.com http://car.mines-douai.fr/
--
~~Jannik Laval~~ Ãcole des Mines de Douai Enseignant-chercheur http://www.jannik-laval.eu http://www.phratch.com http://car.mines-douai.fr/
-- ~~Jannik Laval~~ Ãcole des Mines de Douai Enseignant-chercheur http://www.jannik-laval.eu http://www.phratch.com http://car.mines-douai.fr/
yeah it will probably be quite painful to make pharo work on android be happy with what you already accomplished great job On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 11:39 PM, jannik laval <jannik.laval@gmail.com>wrote:
I just tried and with Pharo3.0, the android version seems not working (I have a black screen). So, it needs more effort to make it work :(
Jannik
2014-05-10 22:35 GMT+02:00 kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com>:
ah ok because my experience with squeak port to android was with sticky
clicks, that made it impossible to operate it on a multi touch screen. It did not know when I lift my finger so every touch was just moving a window I selected instead of seeing it as a single click.
But its great your are interested in android too.
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 11:23 PM, jannik laval <jannik.laval@gmail.com>wrote:
2014-05-10 22:19 GMT+02:00 kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com>:
just for your information Phratch does not load from Configuration
Browser, it just displays the same warning again and again about using a deprecated method.
Hum, I have to update the config in config browser. I will do that in 10 minutes.
Thank you for the report
But the main download zip file works fine.
Wow this works on Android too ? awesome. How ?
Not sure the version 3.0 is working. I am using this process: http://www.phratch.com/archives/408
Cheers, Jannik
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 10:50 PM, jannik laval <jannik.laval@gmail.com>wrote:
Not for now, I will try asap.
Jannik
2014-05-10 12:44 GMT+02:00 Hilaire Fernandes < hilaire.fernandes@gmail.com>:
Great!
Did you test this new build on Android tablet regarding the fluidity?
Thanks
Hilaire
Le 10/05/2014 08:27, jannik laval a écrit :
Phratch 3.0 is cleaner, faster and more stable.
-- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu
--
~~Jannik Laval~~ Ãcole des Mines de Douai Enseignant-chercheur http://www.jannik-laval.eu http://www.phratch.com http://car.mines-douai.fr/
--
~~Jannik Laval~~ Ãcole des Mines de Douai Enseignant-chercheur http://www.jannik-laval.eu http://www.phratch.com http://car.mines-douai.fr/
--
~~Jannik Laval~~ Ãcole des Mines de Douai Enseignant-chercheur http://www.jannik-laval.eu http://www.phratch.com http://car.mines-douai.fr/
Thank you, I am thinking that the problem come from NativeBoost. It is not implemented for Android. I have to retrieve the script to unload it. I remember that there is something like that. And try again. Cheers, Jannik 2014-05-10 22:47 GMT+02:00 kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com>:
yeah it will probably be quite painful to make pharo work on android
be happy with what you already accomplished
great job
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 11:39 PM, jannik laval <jannik.laval@gmail.com>wrote:
I just tried and with Pharo3.0, the android version seems not working (I have a black screen). So, it needs more effort to make it work :(
Jannik
2014-05-10 22:35 GMT+02:00 kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com>:
ah ok because my experience with squeak port to android was with sticky
clicks, that made it impossible to operate it on a multi touch screen. It did not know when I lift my finger so every touch was just moving a window I selected instead of seeing it as a single click.
But its great your are interested in android too.
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 11:23 PM, jannik laval <jannik.laval@gmail.com>wrote:
2014-05-10 22:19 GMT+02:00 kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com>:
just for your information Phratch does not load from Configuration
Browser, it just displays the same warning again and again about using a deprecated method.
Hum, I have to update the config in config browser. I will do that in 10 minutes.
Thank you for the report
But the main download zip file works fine.
Wow this works on Android too ? awesome. How ?
Not sure the version 3.0 is working. I am using this process: http://www.phratch.com/archives/408
Cheers, Jannik
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 10:50 PM, jannik laval <jannik.laval@gmail.com
wrote:
Not for now, I will try asap.
Jannik
2014-05-10 12:44 GMT+02:00 Hilaire Fernandes < hilaire.fernandes@gmail.com>:
Great!
Did you test this new build on Android tablet regarding the fluidity?
Thanks
Hilaire
Le 10/05/2014 08:27, jannik laval a écrit :
Phratch 3.0 is cleaner, faster and more stable.
-- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu
--
~~Jannik Laval~~ Ãcole des Mines de Douai Enseignant-chercheur http://www.jannik-laval.eu http://www.phratch.com http://car.mines-douai.fr/
--
~~Jannik Laval~~ Ãcole des Mines de Douai Enseignant-chercheur http://www.jannik-laval.eu http://www.phratch.com http://car.mines-douai.fr/
--
~~Jannik Laval~~ Ãcole des Mines de Douai Enseignant-chercheur http://www.jannik-laval.eu http://www.phratch.com http://car.mines-douai.fr/
-- ~~Jannik Laval~~ Ãcole des Mines de Douai Enseignant-chercheur http://www.jannik-laval.eu http://www.phratch.com http://car.mines-douai.fr/
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Hilaire Fernandes -
jannik laval -
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stepharo