[Pharo-project] Nautilus first impression
Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for plugins... A few suggestions... * Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the convention is (e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should group all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate packages * I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as soon as I opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard focus anywhere useful. Options: - search bar - typing brings up the class search dialog - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts right away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options: - cmd-F to search packages - cmd-f to search classes - start typing to do a basic package search * creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the "messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code pane, and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because the selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the template, but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless because when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to double-click anyway. Two suggestions - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" menu item that transfers focus to the preselected template - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template * back/forward buttons for history navigation? * a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed! Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Nautilus-first-impression-tp4578301p4578301.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
On Apr 22, 2012, at 5:01 PM, Sean P. DeNigris wrote:
Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for plugins...
Cool :)
A few suggestions... * Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the convention is (e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should group all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate packages
We thought of that, but first, we had to make the tree widgets faster :)
* I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as soon as I opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard focus anywhere useful.
This is strange, the focus should be at the nice place (like class if you browse a class, method if you browse a method and so on) I will check that.
Options: - search bar
I will keep that in mind ;)
- typing brings up the class search dialog - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts right away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options: - cmd-F to search packages - cmd-f to search classes - start typing to do a basic package search
As I said, the focus should be there.
* creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the "messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code pane, and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because the selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the template, but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless because when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to double-click anyway.
True ! I already notice that ^^ To be honest, I just copy/paste the behavior from the default browser, but I will change that soon ^^
Two suggestions - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" menu item that transfers focus to the preselected template - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template
* back/forward buttons for history navigation?
They use to be there, I will reintroduce them :)
* a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them
I have now idea how to do that except creating a dedicated repository :)
Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed!
Cheers, Sean
Thanks to you for your feedback and your good ideas :) Ben
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On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Benjamin < benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo@gmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 22, 2012, at 5:01 PM, Sean P. DeNigris wrote:
Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for plugins...
Cool :)
A few suggestions... * Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the convention is (e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should group all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate packages
We thought of that, but first, we had to make the tree widgets faster :)
* I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as soon as I opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard focus anywhere useful.
This is strange, the focus should be at the nice place (like class if you browse a class, method if you browse a method and so on) I will check that.
Options: - search bar
I will keep that in mind ;)
- typing brings up the class search dialog - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts right away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options: - cmd-F to search packages - cmd-f to search classes - start typing to do a basic package search
As I said, the focus should be there.
* creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the "messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code pane, and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because the selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the template, but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless because when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to double-click anyway.
True ! I already notice that ^^ To be honest, I just copy/paste the behavior from the default browser, but I will change that soon ^^
Two suggestions - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" menu item that transfers focus to the preselected template - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template
* back/forward buttons for history navigation?
They use to be there, I will reintroduce them :)
* a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them
I have now idea how to do that except creating a dedicated repository :)
And then a Plugin to fetch them :3
Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed!
Cheers, Sean
Thanks to you for your feedback and your good ideas :)
Ben
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Benjamin Van Ryseghem-2 wrote
I just copy/paste the behavior from the default browser
haha. yes, it looked very familiar Benjamin Van Ryseghem-2 wrote
* a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them I have now idea how to do that except creating a dedicated repository :)
Just dreaming... Benjamin Van Ryseghem-2 wrote
Thanks to you for your feedback and your good ideas :)
You're welcome. It's the least I could do :) -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Nautilus-first-impression-tp4578301p4578361.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Yes, Nautilus is ubernice. Especially given the forthcoming search bar :-p The help panel cutting the bottom pane in two is all right but then, could we have it with a smaller font? I drives me nuts to have to scroll down there. Phil 2012/4/22 Sean P. DeNigris <sean@clipperadams.com>
Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for plugins...
A few suggestions... * Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the convention is (e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should group all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate packages * I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as soon as I opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard focus anywhere useful. Options: - search bar - typing brings up the class search dialog - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts right away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options: - cmd-F to search packages - cmd-f to search classes - start typing to do a basic package search * creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the "messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code pane, and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because the selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the template, but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless because when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to double-click anyway. Two suggestions - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" menu item that transfers focus to the preselected template - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template * back/forward buttons for history navigation? * a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them
Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed!
Cheers, Sean
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Hi, for having a search bar, you can give Spotlight a try. Gofer it squeaksource: 'Spotlight'; package: 'ConfigurationOfSpotlight'; load. (ConfigurationOfSpotlight project version: #bleedingEdge) load. then, just press shift+enter :) is not finished (because nobody is using it but me, he), but it is useful... it is just a OCompletion bar resembling spotlight from macs. best, Esteban On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, phil@highoctane.be wrote:
Yes, Nautilus is ubernice. Especially given the forthcoming search bar :-p
The help panel cutting the bottom pane in two is all right but then, could we have it with a smaller font? I drives me nuts to have to scroll down there.
Phil
2012/4/22 Sean P. DeNigris <sean@clipperadams.com> Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for plugins...
A few suggestions... * Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the convention is (e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should group all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate packages * I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as soon as I opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard focus anywhere useful. Options: - search bar - typing brings up the class search dialog - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts right away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options: - cmd-F to search packages - cmd-f to search classes - start typing to do a basic package search * creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the "messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code pane, and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because the selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the template, but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless because when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to double-click anyway. Two suggestions - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" menu item that transfers focus to the preselected template - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template * back/forward buttons for history navigation? * a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them
Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed!
Cheers, Sean
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On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com>wrote:
Hi,
for having a search bar, you can give Spotlight a try.
Gofer it squeaksource: 'Spotlight'; package: 'ConfigurationOfSpotlight'; load. (ConfigurationOfSpotlight project version: #bleedingEdge) load.
then, just press shift+enter :)
is not finished (because nobody is using it but me, he)
Do not forget me ;) In fact, I vote for including Spotlight in Pharo 2.0 (and remove it from #cleanUpForProduction)
, but it is useful... it is just a OCompletion bar resembling spotlight from macs.
best, Esteban
On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, phil@highoctane.be wrote:
Yes, Nautilus is ubernice. Especially given the forthcoming search bar :-p
The help panel cutting the bottom pane in two is all right but then, could we have it with a smaller font? I drives me nuts to have to scroll down there.
Phil
2012/4/22 Sean P. DeNigris <sean@clipperadams.com>
Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for plugins...
A few suggestions... * Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the convention is (e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should group all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate packages * I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as soon as I opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard focus anywhere useful. Options: - search bar - typing brings up the class search dialog - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts right away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options: - cmd-F to search packages - cmd-f to search classes - start typing to do a basic package search * creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the "messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code pane, and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because the selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the template, but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless because when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to double-click anyway. Two suggestions - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" menu item that transfers focus to the preselected template - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template * back/forward buttons for history navigation? * a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them
Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed!
Cheers, Sean
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Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil@highoctane.be| Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be
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Not forgotten :-) BTW, This Builder thing of yours deserves a chapter in PBE2. I volunteer to help once I'll get a simple thing working on my side. Which I failed to get so far. Phil 2012/4/22 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck@gmail.com>
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com>wrote:
Hi,
for having a search bar, you can give Spotlight a try.
Gofer it squeaksource: 'Spotlight'; package: 'ConfigurationOfSpotlight'; load. (ConfigurationOfSpotlight project version: #bleedingEdge) load.
then, just press shift+enter :)
is not finished (because nobody is using it but me, he)
Do not forget me ;) In fact, I vote for including Spotlight in Pharo 2.0 (and remove it from #cleanUpForProduction)
, but it is useful... it is just a OCompletion bar resembling spotlight from macs.
best, Esteban
On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, phil@highoctane.be wrote:
Yes, Nautilus is ubernice. Especially given the forthcoming search bar :-p
The help panel cutting the bottom pane in two is all right but then, could we have it with a smaller font? I drives me nuts to have to scroll down there.
Phil
2012/4/22 Sean P. DeNigris <sean@clipperadams.com>
Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for plugins...
A few suggestions... * Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the convention is (e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should group all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate packages * I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as soon as I opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard focus anywhere useful. Options: - search bar - typing brings up the class search dialog - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts right away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options: - cmd-F to search packages - cmd-f to search classes - start typing to do a basic package search * creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the "messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code pane, and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because the selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the template, but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless because when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to double-click anyway. Two suggestions - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" menu item that transfers focus to the preselected template - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template * back/forward buttons for history navigation? * a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them
Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed!
Cheers, Sean
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Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be
High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
-- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil@highoctane.be| Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:28 PM, phil@highoctane.be <phil@highoctane.be>wrote:
Not forgotten :-)
BTW, This Builder thing of yours deserves a chapter in PBE2.
I think the idea is really really cool. However, after several months I noticed Metacello is not ready for that :( See: http://forum.world.st/WTF-td4557982.html Dale says that next version of Metacello may help for that...so maybe we are lucky.
I volunteer to help once I'll get a simple thing working on my side. Which I failed to get so far.
That would be nice. Let me know if I can help you with the failure.
Phil
2012/4/22 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck@gmail.com>
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com>wrote:
Hi,
for having a search bar, you can give Spotlight a try.
Gofer it squeaksource: 'Spotlight'; package: 'ConfigurationOfSpotlight'; load. (ConfigurationOfSpotlight project version: #bleedingEdge) load.
then, just press shift+enter :)
is not finished (because nobody is using it but me, he)
Do not forget me ;) In fact, I vote for including Spotlight in Pharo 2.0 (and remove it from #cleanUpForProduction)
, but it is useful... it is just a OCompletion bar resembling spotlight from macs.
best, Esteban
On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, phil@highoctane.be wrote:
Yes, Nautilus is ubernice. Especially given the forthcoming search bar :-p
The help panel cutting the bottom pane in two is all right but then, could we have it with a smaller font? I drives me nuts to have to scroll down there.
Phil
2012/4/22 Sean P. DeNigris <sean@clipperadams.com>
Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for plugins...
A few suggestions... * Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the convention is (e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should group all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate packages * I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as soon as I opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard focus anywhere useful. Options: - search bar - typing brings up the class search dialog - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts right away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options: - cmd-F to search packages - cmd-f to search classes - start typing to do a basic package search * creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the "messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code pane, and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because the selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the template, but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless because when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to double-click anyway. Two suggestions - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" menu item that transfers focus to the preselected template - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template * back/forward buttons for history navigation? * a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them
Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed!
Cheers, Sean
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Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be
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-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
-- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve"
Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil@highoctane.be| Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be
High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
There is a comment on your blog article asking for details :-) 2012/4/22 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck@gmail.com>
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:28 PM, phil@highoctane.be <phil@highoctane.be>wrote:
Not forgotten :-)
BTW, This Builder thing of yours deserves a chapter in PBE2.
I think the idea is really really cool. However, after several months I noticed Metacello is not ready for that :( See: http://forum.world.st/WTF-td4557982.html Dale says that next version of Metacello may help for that...so maybe we are lucky.
I volunteer to help once I'll get a simple thing working on my side. Which I failed to get so far.
That would be nice. Let me know if I can help you with the failure.
Phil
2012/4/22 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck@gmail.com>
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com>wrote:
Hi,
for having a search bar, you can give Spotlight a try.
Gofer it squeaksource: 'Spotlight'; package: 'ConfigurationOfSpotlight'; load. (ConfigurationOfSpotlight project version: #bleedingEdge) load.
then, just press shift+enter :)
is not finished (because nobody is using it but me, he)
Do not forget me ;) In fact, I vote for including Spotlight in Pharo 2.0 (and remove it from #cleanUpForProduction)
, but it is useful... it is just a OCompletion bar resembling spotlight from macs.
best, Esteban
On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, phil@highoctane.be wrote:
Yes, Nautilus is ubernice. Especially given the forthcoming search bar :-p
The help panel cutting the bottom pane in two is all right but then, could we have it with a smaller font? I drives me nuts to have to scroll down there.
Phil
2012/4/22 Sean P. DeNigris <sean@clipperadams.com>
Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for plugins...
A few suggestions... * Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the convention is (e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should group all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate packages * I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as soon as I opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard focus anywhere useful. Options: - search bar - typing brings up the class search dialog - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts right away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options: - cmd-F to search packages - cmd-f to search classes - start typing to do a basic package search * creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the "messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code pane, and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because the selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the template, but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless because when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to double-click anyway. Two suggestions - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" menu item that transfers focus to the preselected template - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template * back/forward buttons for history navigation? * a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them
Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed!
Cheers, Sean
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Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be
High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
-- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve"
Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be
High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
-- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil@highoctane.be| Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:40 PM, phil@highoctane.be <phil@highoctane.be>wrote:
There is a comment on your blog article asking for details :-)
Yes, I answerd it. But I think over another post (sorry, mistake) Here is the answer: http://marianopeck.wordpress.com/2012/02/26/nautilus-the-reborn-of-the-syste... Cheers
2012/4/22 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck@gmail.com>
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:28 PM, phil@highoctane.be <phil@highoctane.be>wrote:
Not forgotten :-)
BTW, This Builder thing of yours deserves a chapter in PBE2.
I think the idea is really really cool. However, after several months I noticed Metacello is not ready for that :( See: http://forum.world.st/WTF-td4557982.html Dale says that next version of Metacello may help for that...so maybe we are lucky.
I volunteer to help once I'll get a simple thing working on my side. Which I failed to get so far.
That would be nice. Let me know if I can help you with the failure.
Phil
2012/4/22 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck@gmail.com>
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi,
for having a search bar, you can give Spotlight a try.
Gofer it squeaksource: 'Spotlight'; package: 'ConfigurationOfSpotlight'; load. (ConfigurationOfSpotlight project version: #bleedingEdge) load.
then, just press shift+enter :)
is not finished (because nobody is using it but me, he)
Do not forget me ;) In fact, I vote for including Spotlight in Pharo 2.0 (and remove it from #cleanUpForProduction)
, but it is useful... it is just a OCompletion bar resembling spotlight from macs.
best, Esteban
On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, phil@highoctane.be wrote:
Yes, Nautilus is ubernice. Especially given the forthcoming search bar :-p
The help panel cutting the bottom pane in two is all right but then, could we have it with a smaller font? I drives me nuts to have to scroll down there.
Phil
2012/4/22 Sean P. DeNigris <sean@clipperadams.com>
Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for plugins...
A few suggestions... * Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the convention is (e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should group all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate packages * I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as soon as I opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard focus anywhere useful. Options: - search bar - typing brings up the class search dialog - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts right away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options: - cmd-F to search packages - cmd-f to search classes - start typing to do a basic package search * creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the "messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code pane, and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because the selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the template, but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless because when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to double-click anyway. Two suggestions - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" menu item that transfers focus to the preselected template - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template * back/forward buttons for history navigation? * a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them
Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed!
Cheers, Sean
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-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
-- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve"
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High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
-- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve"
Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil@highoctane.be| Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be
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-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
Ok, thanks. I'll give it another shot then. I've no big problem grasping Metacello concepts: I've modularized a 400 KSLOC Java source tree with Maven POM, including parent POMs, Maven Proxy repository and associated visualizations. (Shameless plug: http://philippeback.eu/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=3) The key to all this is to invest time (lots) so that everything falls together nicely (remove dupes, run a ton of tests etc). Your imagebuilder idea provides an additional level: the ability to load everything from start to finish in a starting point. This evokes make clean; make; make install to me. Which is good: build everything in an automated step. The Pharo team scores quite well on the Joel Test if you ask me: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000043.html Phil 2012/4/22 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck@gmail.com>
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:40 PM, phil@highoctane.be <phil@highoctane.be>wrote:
There is a comment on your blog article asking for details :-)
Yes, I answerd it. But I think over another post (sorry, mistake) Here is the answer: http://marianopeck.wordpress.com/2012/02/26/nautilus-the-reborn-of-the-syste...
Cheers
2012/4/22 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck@gmail.com>
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:28 PM, phil@highoctane.be <phil@highoctane.be>wrote:
Not forgotten :-)
BTW, This Builder thing of yours deserves a chapter in PBE2.
I think the idea is really really cool. However, after several months I noticed Metacello is not ready for that :( See: http://forum.world.st/WTF-td4557982.html Dale says that next version of Metacello may help for that...so maybe we are lucky.
I volunteer to help once I'll get a simple thing working on my side. Which I failed to get so far.
That would be nice. Let me know if I can help you with the failure.
Phil
2012/4/22 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck@gmail.com>
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Esteban Lorenzano < estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
for having a search bar, you can give Spotlight a try.
Gofer it squeaksource: 'Spotlight'; package: 'ConfigurationOfSpotlight'; load. (ConfigurationOfSpotlight project version: #bleedingEdge) load.
then, just press shift+enter :)
is not finished (because nobody is using it but me, he)
Do not forget me ;) In fact, I vote for including Spotlight in Pharo 2.0 (and remove it from #cleanUpForProduction)
, but it is useful... it is just a OCompletion bar resembling spotlight from macs.
best, Esteban
On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, phil@highoctane.be wrote:
Yes, Nautilus is ubernice. Especially given the forthcoming search bar :-p
The help panel cutting the bottom pane in two is all right but then, could we have it with a smaller font? I drives me nuts to have to scroll down there.
Phil
2012/4/22 Sean P. DeNigris <sean@clipperadams.com>
Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for plugins...
A few suggestions... * Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the convention is (e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should group all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate packages * I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as soon as I opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard focus anywhere useful. Options: - search bar - typing brings up the class search dialog - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts right away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options: - cmd-F to search packages - cmd-f to search classes - start typing to do a basic package search * creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the "messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code pane, and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because the selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the template, but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless because when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to double-click anyway. Two suggestions - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" menu item that transfers focus to the preselected template - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template * back/forward buttons for history navigation? * a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them
Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed!
Cheers, Sean
-- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Nautilus-first-impression-tp4578301p4578301.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
-- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve"
Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be
High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
-- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve"
Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be
High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
-- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve"
Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be
High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
-- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil@highoctane.be| Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 11:03 PM, phil@highoctane.be <phil@highoctane.be>wrote:
Ok, thanks.
I'll give it another shot then. I've no big problem grasping Metacello concepts: I've modularized a 400 KSLOC Java source tree with Maven POM, including parent POMs,
I know the effor for that, since I have also experiened quite large java projects with complex maven configurations.
Maven Proxy repository and associated visualizations. (Shameless plug: http://philippeback.eu/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=3)
well, not that much ;) btw... looks like you own a nice company :)
The key to all this is to invest time (lots) so that everything falls together nicely (remove dupes, run a ton of tests etc).
Exactlly. And it is not only to make it work, but you really need to understand the tool. For Maven I remember reading abook about it. For Metacello you can read the chapter we wrote with Stef.
Your imagebuilder idea provides an additional level: the ability to load everything from start to finish in a starting point. This evokes make clean; make; make install to me. Which is good: build everything in an automated step.
Exactly. In my slides of the talk you can see my own motivations behind it: http://www.slideshare.net/MarianoMartinezPeck/building-you-own-images-with-m...
The Pharo team scores quite well on the Joel Test if you ask me: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000043.html
Interesting.
Phil
2012/4/22 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck@gmail.com>
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:40 PM, phil@highoctane.be <phil@highoctane.be>wrote:
There is a comment on your blog article asking for details :-)
Yes, I answerd it. But I think over another post (sorry, mistake) Here is the answer: http://marianopeck.wordpress.com/2012/02/26/nautilus-the-reborn-of-the-syste...
Cheers
2012/4/22 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck@gmail.com>
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:28 PM, phil@highoctane.be <phil@highoctane.be
wrote:
Not forgotten :-)
BTW, This Builder thing of yours deserves a chapter in PBE2.
I think the idea is really really cool. However, after several months I noticed Metacello is not ready for that :( See: http://forum.world.st/WTF-td4557982.html Dale says that next version of Metacello may help for that...so maybe we are lucky.
I volunteer to help once I'll get a simple thing working on my side. Which I failed to get so far.
That would be nice. Let me know if I can help you with the failure.
Phil
2012/4/22 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck@gmail.com>
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Esteban Lorenzano < estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
for having a search bar, you can give Spotlight a try.
Gofer it squeaksource: 'Spotlight'; package: 'ConfigurationOfSpotlight'; load. (ConfigurationOfSpotlight project version: #bleedingEdge) load.
then, just press shift+enter :)
is not finished (because nobody is using it but me, he)
Do not forget me ;) In fact, I vote for including Spotlight in Pharo 2.0 (and remove it from #cleanUpForProduction)
, but it is useful... it is just a OCompletion bar resembling spotlight from macs.
best, Esteban
On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, phil@highoctane.be wrote:
Yes, Nautilus is ubernice. Especially given the forthcoming search bar :-p
The help panel cutting the bottom pane in two is all right but then, could we have it with a smaller font? I drives me nuts to have to scroll down there.
Phil
2012/4/22 Sean P. DeNigris <sean@clipperadams.com>
Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for plugins...
A few suggestions... * Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the convention is (e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should group all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate packages * I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as soon as I opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard focus anywhere useful. Options: - search bar - typing brings up the class search dialog - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts right away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options: - cmd-F to search packages - cmd-f to search classes - start typing to do a basic package search * creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the "messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code pane, and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because the selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the template, but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless because when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to double-click anyway. Two suggestions - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" menu item that transfers focus to the preselected template - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template * back/forward buttons for history navigation? * a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them
Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed!
Cheers, Sean
-- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Nautilus-first-impression-tp4578301p4578301.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
-- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve"
Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be
High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
-- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve"
Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be
High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
-- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve"
Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be
High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
-- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve"
Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil@highoctane.be| Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be
High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
I've got access to the SVN for PBE2 and read about all of the content. My LaTeX skills are rusty at best. I am more of a DocBook guy :-) Anyway, learning that as well since I noticed quite a number of missing bits about TextMorph, MorphTreeMorph (this one's a beast) and maybe some of my investigations may prove useful material. KR Phil 2012/4/22 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck@gmail.com>
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 11:03 PM, phil@highoctane.be <phil@highoctane.be>wrote:
Ok, thanks.
I'll give it another shot then. I've no big problem grasping Metacello concepts: I've modularized a 400 KSLOC Java source tree with Maven POM, including parent POMs,
I know the effor for that, since I have also experiened quite large java projects with complex maven configurations.
Maven Proxy repository and associated visualizations. (Shameless plug: http://philippeback.eu/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=3)
well, not that much ;) btw... looks like you own a nice company :)
The key to all this is to invest time (lots) so that everything falls together nicely (remove dupes, run a ton of tests etc).
Exactlly. And it is not only to make it work, but you really need to understand the tool. For Maven I remember reading abook about it. For Metacello you can read the chapter we wrote with Stef.
Your imagebuilder idea provides an additional level: the ability to load everything from start to finish in a starting point. This evokes make clean; make; make install to me. Which is good: build everything in an automated step.
Exactly. In my slides of the talk you can see my own motivations behind it: http://www.slideshare.net/MarianoMartinezPeck/building-you-own-images-with-m...
The Pharo team scores quite well on the Joel Test if you ask me: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000043.html
Interesting.
Phil
2012/4/22 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck@gmail.com>
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:40 PM, phil@highoctane.be <phil@highoctane.be>wrote:
There is a comment on your blog article asking for details :-)
Yes, I answerd it. But I think over another post (sorry, mistake) Here is the answer: http://marianopeck.wordpress.com/2012/02/26/nautilus-the-reborn-of-the-syste...
Cheers
2012/4/22 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck@gmail.com>
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:28 PM, phil@highoctane.be < phil@highoctane.be> wrote:
Not forgotten :-)
BTW, This Builder thing of yours deserves a chapter in PBE2.
I think the idea is really really cool. However, after several months I noticed Metacello is not ready for that :( See: http://forum.world.st/WTF-td4557982.html Dale says that next version of Metacello may help for that...so maybe we are lucky.
I volunteer to help once I'll get a simple thing working on my side. Which I failed to get so far.
That would be nice. Let me know if I can help you with the failure.
Phil
2012/4/22 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck@gmail.com>
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Esteban Lorenzano < estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
for having a search bar, you can give Spotlight a try.
Gofer it squeaksource: 'Spotlight'; package: 'ConfigurationOfSpotlight'; load. (ConfigurationOfSpotlight project version: #bleedingEdge) load.
then, just press shift+enter :)
is not finished (because nobody is using it but me, he)
Do not forget me ;) In fact, I vote for including Spotlight in Pharo 2.0 (and remove it from #cleanUpForProduction)
, but it is useful... it is just a OCompletion bar resembling spotlight from macs.
best, Esteban
On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, phil@highoctane.be wrote:
Yes, Nautilus is ubernice. Especially given the forthcoming search bar :-p
The help panel cutting the bottom pane in two is all right but then, could we have it with a smaller font? I drives me nuts to have to scroll down there.
Phil
2012/4/22 Sean P. DeNigris <sean@clipperadams.com>
Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for plugins...
A few suggestions... * Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the convention is (e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should group all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate packages * I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as soon as I opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard focus anywhere useful. Options: - search bar - typing brings up the class search dialog - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts right away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options: - cmd-F to search packages - cmd-f to search classes - start typing to do a basic package search * creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the "messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code pane, and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because the selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the template, but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless because when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to double-click anyway. Two suggestions - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" menu item that transfers focus to the preselected template - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template * back/forward buttons for history navigation? * a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them
Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed!
Cheers, Sean
-- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Nautilus-first-impression-tp4578301p4578301.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
-- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve"
Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be
High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
-- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve"
Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be
High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
-- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve"
Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be
High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
-- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve"
Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be
High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
-- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil@highoctane.be| Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges
I'll give it another shot then. I've no big problem grasping Metacello concepts: I've modularized a 400 KSLOC Java source tree with Maven POM, including parent POMs, Maven Proxy repository and associated visualizations. (Shameless plug: http://philippeback.eu/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=3)
The key to all this is to invest time (lots) so that everything falls together nicely (remove dupes, run a ton of tests etc).
Your imagebuilder idea provides an additional level: the ability to load everything from start to finish in a starting point. This evokes make clean; make; make install to me. Which is good: build everything in an automated step.
We are getting there for pharo :) We will migrate the script loader to use metacello and we will start having configurations for pharo core. When I see that I invited a guy to talk about cruise control in 2002 to wake up the smalltalk community...
The Pharo team scores quite well on the Joel Test if you ask me: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000043.html
Phil
2012/4/22 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck@gmail.com>
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:40 PM, phil@highoctane.be <phil@highoctane.be> wrote: There is a comment on your blog article asking for details :-)
Yes, I answerd it. But I think over another post (sorry, mistake) Here is the answer: http://marianopeck.wordpress.com/2012/02/26/nautilus-the-reborn-of-the-syste...
Cheers
2012/4/22 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck@gmail.com>
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:28 PM, phil@highoctane.be <phil@highoctane.be> wrote: Not forgotten :-)
BTW, This Builder thing of yours deserves a chapter in PBE2.
I think the idea is really really cool. However, after several months I noticed Metacello is not ready for that :( See: http://forum.world.st/WTF-td4557982.html Dale says that next version of Metacello may help for that...so maybe we are lucky.
I volunteer to help once I'll get a simple thing working on my side. Which I failed to get so far.
That would be nice. Let me know if I can help you with the failure.
Phil
2012/4/22 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck@gmail.com>
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote: Hi,
for having a search bar, you can give Spotlight a try.
Gofer it squeaksource: 'Spotlight'; package: 'ConfigurationOfSpotlight'; load. (ConfigurationOfSpotlight project version: #bleedingEdge) load.
then, just press shift+enter :)
is not finished (because nobody is using it but me, he)
Do not forget me ;) In fact, I vote for including Spotlight in Pharo 2.0 (and remove it from #cleanUpForProduction)
, but it is useful... it is just a OCompletion bar resembling spotlight from macs.
best, Esteban
On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, phil@highoctane.be wrote:
Yes, Nautilus is ubernice. Especially given the forthcoming search bar :-p
The help panel cutting the bottom pane in two is all right but then, could we have it with a smaller font? I drives me nuts to have to scroll down there.
Phil
2012/4/22 Sean P. DeNigris <sean@clipperadams.com> Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for plugins...
A few suggestions... * Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the convention is (e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should group all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate packages * I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as soon as I opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard focus anywhere useful. Options: - search bar - typing brings up the class search dialog - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts right away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options: - cmd-F to search packages - cmd-f to search classes - start typing to do a basic package search * creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the "messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code pane, and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because the selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the template, but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless because when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to double-click anyway. Two suggestions - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" menu item that transfers focus to the preselected template - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template * back/forward buttons for history navigation? * a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them
Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed!
Cheers, Sean
-- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Nautilus-first-impression-tp4578301p4578301.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
-- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve"
Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be
High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
-- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve"
Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be
High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
-- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve"
Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be
High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
-- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve"
Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be
High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges
Hey cool. I think I saw that spotlight thing somewhere in MarianoBuilder along with Sandcastle themes. Phil 2012/4/22 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com>
Hi,
for having a search bar, you can give Spotlight a try.
Gofer it squeaksource: 'Spotlight'; package: 'ConfigurationOfSpotlight'; load. (ConfigurationOfSpotlight project version: #bleedingEdge) load.
then, just press shift+enter :)
is not finished (because nobody is using it but me, he), but it is useful... it is just a OCompletion bar resembling spotlight from macs.
best, Esteban
On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, phil@highoctane.be wrote:
Yes, Nautilus is ubernice. Especially given the forthcoming search bar :-p
The help panel cutting the bottom pane in two is all right but then, could we have it with a smaller font? I drives me nuts to have to scroll down there.
Phil
2012/4/22 Sean P. DeNigris <sean@clipperadams.com>
Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for plugins...
A few suggestions... * Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the convention is (e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should group all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate packages * I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as soon as I opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard focus anywhere useful. Options: - search bar - typing brings up the class search dialog - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts right away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options: - cmd-F to search packages - cmd-f to search classes - start typing to do a basic package search * creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the "messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code pane, and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because the selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the template, but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless because when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to double-click anyway. Two suggestions - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" menu item that transfers focus to the preselected template - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template * back/forward buttons for history navigation? * a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them
Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed!
Cheers, Sean
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-- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve"
Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil@highoctane.be| Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be
High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges
-- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil@highoctane.be| Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges
I will give a try, for sure ;) Ben On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:25 PM, phil@highoctane.be wrote:
Hey cool.
I think I saw that spotlight thing somewhere in MarianoBuilder along with Sandcastle themes.
Phil
2012/4/22 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> Hi,
for having a search bar, you can give Spotlight a try.
Gofer it squeaksource: 'Spotlight'; package: 'ConfigurationOfSpotlight'; load. (ConfigurationOfSpotlight project version: #bleedingEdge) load.
then, just press shift+enter :)
is not finished (because nobody is using it but me, he), but it is useful... it is just a OCompletion bar resembling spotlight from macs.
best, Esteban
On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, phil@highoctane.be wrote:
Yes, Nautilus is ubernice. Especially given the forthcoming search bar :-p
The help panel cutting the bottom pane in two is all right but then, could we have it with a smaller font? I drives me nuts to have to scroll down there.
Phil
2012/4/22 Sean P. DeNigris <sean@clipperadams.com> Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for plugins...
A few suggestions... * Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the convention is (e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should group all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate packages * I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as soon as I opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard focus anywhere useful. Options: - search bar - typing brings up the class search dialog - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts right away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options: - cmd-F to search packages - cmd-f to search classes - start typing to do a basic package search * creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the "messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code pane, and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because the selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the template, but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless because when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to double-click anyway. Two suggestions - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" menu item that transfers focus to the preselected template - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template * back/forward buttons for history navigation? * a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them
Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed!
Cheers, Sean
-- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Nautilus-first-impression-tp4578301p4578301.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
-- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve"
Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be
High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges
-- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve"
Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be
High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges
Just did but... It opens, I type for example HO (my prefix for my classes) and I get a drop down. But then clicking on one, or going to it with the keyboard arrows and typing [ENTER] just gives me an inform: 'There is no HO class'. What am I doing wrong? Phil, eager to have this working. (BTW, nice fading effect) 2012/4/22 Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo@gmail.com>
I will give a try, for sure ;)
Ben
On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:25 PM, phil@highoctane.be wrote:
Hey cool.
I think I saw that spotlight thing somewhere in MarianoBuilder along with Sandcastle themes.
Phil
2012/4/22 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com>
Hi,
for having a search bar, you can give Spotlight a try.
Gofer it squeaksource: 'Spotlight'; package: 'ConfigurationOfSpotlight'; load. (ConfigurationOfSpotlight project version: #bleedingEdge) load.
then, just press shift+enter :)
is not finished (because nobody is using it but me, he), but it is useful... it is just a OCompletion bar resembling spotlight from macs.
best, Esteban
On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, phil@highoctane.be wrote:
Yes, Nautilus is ubernice. Especially given the forthcoming search bar :-p
The help panel cutting the bottom pane in two is all right but then, could we have it with a smaller font? I drives me nuts to have to scroll down there.
Phil
2012/4/22 Sean P. DeNigris <sean@clipperadams.com>
Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for plugins...
A few suggestions... * Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the convention is (e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should group all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate packages * I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as soon as I opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard focus anywhere useful. Options: - search bar - typing brings up the class search dialog - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts right away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options: - cmd-F to search packages - cmd-f to search classes - start typing to do a basic package search * creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the "messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code pane, and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because the selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the template, but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless because when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to double-click anyway. Two suggestions - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" menu item that transfers focus to the preselected template - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template * back/forward buttons for history navigation? * a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them
Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed!
Cheers, Sean
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-- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve"
Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be
High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges
-- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve"
Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil@highoctane.be| Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be
High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges
-- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil@highoctane.be| Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges
yes... because is not finished :) now it works like New OCompletion (because that is what is)... so you have to press tab before enter :( as I said... never finished because as is is ok for me, but if there is some interest, I can add "immediate enter" functionality tomorrow :) Esteban On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:31 PM, phil@highoctane.be wrote:
Just did but...
It opens, I type for example HO (my prefix for my classes) and I get a drop down. But then clicking on one, or going to it with the keyboard arrows and typing [ENTER] just gives me an inform: 'There is no HO class'.
What am I doing wrong?
Phil, eager to have this working.
(BTW, nice fading effect)
2012/4/22 Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo@gmail.com> I will give a try, for sure ;)
Ben
On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:25 PM, phil@highoctane.be wrote:
Hey cool.
I think I saw that spotlight thing somewhere in MarianoBuilder along with Sandcastle themes.
Phil
2012/4/22 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> Hi,
for having a search bar, you can give Spotlight a try.
Gofer it squeaksource: 'Spotlight'; package: 'ConfigurationOfSpotlight'; load. (ConfigurationOfSpotlight project version: #bleedingEdge) load.
then, just press shift+enter :)
is not finished (because nobody is using it but me, he), but it is useful... it is just a OCompletion bar resembling spotlight from macs.
best, Esteban
On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, phil@highoctane.be wrote:
Yes, Nautilus is ubernice. Especially given the forthcoming search bar :-p
The help panel cutting the bottom pane in two is all right but then, could we have it with a smaller font? I drives me nuts to have to scroll down there.
Phil
2012/4/22 Sean P. DeNigris <sean@clipperadams.com> Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for plugins...
A few suggestions... * Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the convention is (e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should group all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate packages * I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as soon as I opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard focus anywhere useful. Options: - search bar - typing brings up the class search dialog - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts right away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options: - cmd-F to search packages - cmd-f to search classes - start typing to do a basic package search * creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the "messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code pane, and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because the selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the template, but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless because when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to double-click anyway. Two suggestions - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" menu item that transfers focus to the preselected template - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template * back/forward buttons for history navigation? * a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them
Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed!
Cheers, Sean
-- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Nautilus-first-impression-tp4578301p4578301.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
-- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve"
Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be
High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges
-- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve"
Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be
High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges
-- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve"
Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be
High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com>wrote:
yes... because is not finished :) now it works like New OCompletion (because that is what is)... so you have to press tab before enter :(
as I said... never finished because as is is ok for me, but if there is some interest, I can add "immediate enter" functionality tomorrow :)
+9999 Spotlight/Algernon is such a great tool. In fact, Esteban did it because I told him that if he did it I offered him a beer (BTW Esteban, consider the beer you drunk last week at home as THAT beer ahhahahaha). He could do it in just a couple of hours and was not continue after. But we welcome any work and progress in the area.
Esteban
On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:31 PM, phil@highoctane.be wrote:
Just did but...
It opens, I type for example HO (my prefix for my classes) and I get a drop down. But then clicking on one, or going to it with the keyboard arrows and typing [ENTER] just gives me an inform: 'There is no HO class'.
What am I doing wrong?
Phil, eager to have this working.
(BTW, nice fading effect)
2012/4/22 Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo@gmail.com>
I will give a try, for sure ;)
Ben
On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:25 PM, phil@highoctane.be wrote:
Hey cool.
I think I saw that spotlight thing somewhere in MarianoBuilder along with Sandcastle themes.
Phil
2012/4/22 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com>
Hi,
for having a search bar, you can give Spotlight a try.
Gofer it squeaksource: 'Spotlight'; package: 'ConfigurationOfSpotlight'; load. (ConfigurationOfSpotlight project version: #bleedingEdge) load.
then, just press shift+enter :)
is not finished (because nobody is using it but me, he), but it is useful... it is just a OCompletion bar resembling spotlight from macs.
best, Esteban
On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, phil@highoctane.be wrote:
Yes, Nautilus is ubernice. Especially given the forthcoming search bar :-p
The help panel cutting the bottom pane in two is all right but then, could we have it with a smaller font? I drives me nuts to have to scroll down there.
Phil
2012/4/22 Sean P. DeNigris <sean@clipperadams.com>
Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for plugins...
A few suggestions... * Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the convention is (e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should group all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate packages * I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as soon as I opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard focus anywhere useful. Options: - search bar - typing brings up the class search dialog - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts right away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options: - cmd-F to search packages - cmd-f to search classes - start typing to do a basic package search * creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the "messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code pane, and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because the selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the template, but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless because when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to double-click anyway. Two suggestions - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" menu item that transfers focus to the preselected template - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template * back/forward buttons for history navigation? * a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them
Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed!
Cheers, Sean
-- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Nautilus-first-impression-tp4578301p4578301.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
-- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve"
Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be
High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges
-- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve"
Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be
High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges
-- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve"
Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil@highoctane.be| Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be
High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
Ok, finish it and you'll get beers end of may :-) What about 3 or 4? 2012/4/22 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck@gmail.com>
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com>wrote:
yes... because is not finished :) now it works like New OCompletion (because that is what is)... so you have to press tab before enter :(
as I said... never finished because as is is ok for me, but if there is some interest, I can add "immediate enter" functionality tomorrow :)
+9999
Spotlight/Algernon is such a great tool. In fact, Esteban did it because I told him that if he did it I offered him a beer (BTW Esteban, consider the beer you drunk last week at home as THAT beer ahhahahaha). He could do it in just a couple of hours and was not continue after. But we welcome any work and progress in the area.
Esteban
On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:31 PM, phil@highoctane.be wrote:
Just did but...
It opens, I type for example HO (my prefix for my classes) and I get a drop down. But then clicking on one, or going to it with the keyboard arrows and typing [ENTER] just gives me an inform: 'There is no HO class'.
What am I doing wrong?
Phil, eager to have this working.
(BTW, nice fading effect)
2012/4/22 Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo@gmail.com>
I will give a try, for sure ;)
Ben
On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:25 PM, phil@highoctane.be wrote:
Hey cool.
I think I saw that spotlight thing somewhere in MarianoBuilder along with Sandcastle themes.
Phil
2012/4/22 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com>
Hi,
for having a search bar, you can give Spotlight a try.
Gofer it squeaksource: 'Spotlight'; package: 'ConfigurationOfSpotlight'; load. (ConfigurationOfSpotlight project version: #bleedingEdge) load.
then, just press shift+enter :)
is not finished (because nobody is using it but me, he), but it is useful... it is just a OCompletion bar resembling spotlight from macs.
best, Esteban
On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, phil@highoctane.be wrote:
Yes, Nautilus is ubernice. Especially given the forthcoming search bar :-p
The help panel cutting the bottom pane in two is all right but then, could we have it with a smaller font? I drives me nuts to have to scroll down there.
Phil
2012/4/22 Sean P. DeNigris <sean@clipperadams.com>
Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for plugins...
A few suggestions... * Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the convention is (e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should group all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate packages * I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as soon as I opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard focus anywhere useful. Options: - search bar - typing brings up the class search dialog - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts right away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options: - cmd-F to search packages - cmd-f to search classes - start typing to do a basic package search * creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the "messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code pane, and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because the selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the template, but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless because when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to double-click anyway. Two suggestions - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" menu item that transfers focus to the preselected template - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template * back/forward buttons for history navigation? * a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them
Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed!
Cheers, Sean
-- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Nautilus-first-impression-tp4578301p4578301.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
-- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve"
Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be
High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges
-- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve"
Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be
High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges
-- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve"
Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be
High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
-- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil@highoctane.be| Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:41 PM, phil@highoctane.be <phil@highoctane.be>wrote:
Ok, finish it and you'll get beers end of may
so you are going to the PharoConf? excellent
:-) What about 3 or 4?
2012/4/22 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck@gmail.com>
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com>wrote:
yes... because is not finished :) now it works like New OCompletion (because that is what is)... so you have to press tab before enter :(
as I said... never finished because as is is ok for me, but if there is some interest, I can add "immediate enter" functionality tomorrow :)
+9999
Spotlight/Algernon is such a great tool. In fact, Esteban did it because I told him that if he did it I offered him a beer (BTW Esteban, consider the beer you drunk last week at home as THAT beer ahhahahaha). He could do it in just a couple of hours and was not continue after. But we welcome any work and progress in the area.
Esteban
On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:31 PM, phil@highoctane.be wrote:
Just did but...
It opens, I type for example HO (my prefix for my classes) and I get a drop down. But then clicking on one, or going to it with the keyboard arrows and typing [ENTER] just gives me an inform: 'There is no HO class'.
What am I doing wrong?
Phil, eager to have this working.
(BTW, nice fading effect)
2012/4/22 Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo@gmail.com>
I will give a try, for sure ;)
Ben
On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:25 PM, phil@highoctane.be wrote:
Hey cool.
I think I saw that spotlight thing somewhere in MarianoBuilder along with Sandcastle themes.
Phil
2012/4/22 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com>
Hi,
for having a search bar, you can give Spotlight a try.
Gofer it squeaksource: 'Spotlight'; package: 'ConfigurationOfSpotlight'; load. (ConfigurationOfSpotlight project version: #bleedingEdge) load.
then, just press shift+enter :)
is not finished (because nobody is using it but me, he), but it is useful... it is just a OCompletion bar resembling spotlight from macs.
best, Esteban
On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, phil@highoctane.be wrote:
Yes, Nautilus is ubernice. Especially given the forthcoming search bar :-p
The help panel cutting the bottom pane in two is all right but then, could we have it with a smaller font? I drives me nuts to have to scroll down there.
Phil
2012/4/22 Sean P. DeNigris <sean@clipperadams.com>
Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for plugins...
A few suggestions... * Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the convention is (e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should group all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate packages * I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as soon as I opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard focus anywhere useful. Options: - search bar - typing brings up the class search dialog - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts right away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options: - cmd-F to search packages - cmd-f to search classes - start typing to do a basic package search * creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the "messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code pane, and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because the selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the template, but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless because when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to double-click anyway. Two suggestions - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" menu item that transfers focus to the preselected template - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template * back/forward buttons for history navigation? * a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them
Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed!
Cheers, Sean
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I can propose my help too :) Ben On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:39 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote: yes... because is not finished :) now it works like New OCompletion (because that is what is)... so you have to press tab before enter :(
as I said... never finished because as is is ok for me, but if there is some interest, I can add "immediate enter" functionality tomorrow :)
+9999
Spotlight/Algernon is such a great tool. In fact, Esteban did it because I told him that if he did it I offered him a beer (BTW Esteban, consider the beer you drunk last week at home as THAT beer ahhahahaha). He could do it in just a couple of hours and was not continue after. But we welcome any work and progress in the area.
Esteban
On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:31 PM, phil@highoctane.be wrote:
Just did but...
It opens, I type for example HO (my prefix for my classes) and I get a drop down. But then clicking on one, or going to it with the keyboard arrows and typing [ENTER] just gives me an inform: 'There is no HO class'.
What am I doing wrong?
Phil, eager to have this working.
(BTW, nice fading effect)
2012/4/22 Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo@gmail.com> I will give a try, for sure ;)
Ben
On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:25 PM, phil@highoctane.be wrote:
Hey cool.
I think I saw that spotlight thing somewhere in MarianoBuilder along with Sandcastle themes.
Phil
2012/4/22 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> Hi,
for having a search bar, you can give Spotlight a try.
Gofer it squeaksource: 'Spotlight'; package: 'ConfigurationOfSpotlight'; load. (ConfigurationOfSpotlight project version: #bleedingEdge) load.
then, just press shift+enter :)
is not finished (because nobody is using it but me, he), but it is useful... it is just a OCompletion bar resembling spotlight from macs.
best, Esteban
On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, phil@highoctane.be wrote:
Yes, Nautilus is ubernice. Especially given the forthcoming search bar :-p
The help panel cutting the bottom pane in two is all right but then, could we have it with a smaller font? I drives me nuts to have to scroll down there.
Phil
2012/4/22 Sean P. DeNigris <sean@clipperadams.com> Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for plugins...
A few suggestions... * Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the convention is (e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should group all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate packages * I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as soon as I opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard focus anywhere useful. Options: - search bar - typing brings up the class search dialog - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts right away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options: - cmd-F to search packages - cmd-f to search classes - start typing to do a basic package search * creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the "messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code pane, and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because the selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the template, but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless because when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to double-click anyway. Two suggestions - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" menu item that transfers focus to the preselected template - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template * back/forward buttons for history navigation? * a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them
Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed!
Cheers, Sean
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Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be
High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges
-- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve"
Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be
High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges
-- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve"
Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be
High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Benjamin < benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo@gmail.com> wrote:
I can propose my help too :)
The best help is to use it and give feedback I guess ;)
Ben
On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:39 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com>wrote:
yes... because is not finished :) now it works like New OCompletion (because that is what is)... so you have to press tab before enter :(
as I said... never finished because as is is ok for me, but if there is some interest, I can add "immediate enter" functionality tomorrow :)
+9999
Spotlight/Algernon is such a great tool. In fact, Esteban did it because I told him that if he did it I offered him a beer (BTW Esteban, consider the beer you drunk last week at home as THAT beer ahhahahaha). He could do it in just a couple of hours and was not continue after. But we welcome any work and progress in the area.
Esteban
On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:31 PM, phil@highoctane.be wrote:
Just did but...
It opens, I type for example HO (my prefix for my classes) and I get a drop down. But then clicking on one, or going to it with the keyboard arrows and typing [ENTER] just gives me an inform: 'There is no HO class'.
What am I doing wrong?
Phil, eager to have this working.
(BTW, nice fading effect)
2012/4/22 Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo@gmail.com>
I will give a try, for sure ;)
Ben
On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:25 PM, phil@highoctane.be wrote:
Hey cool.
I think I saw that spotlight thing somewhere in MarianoBuilder along with Sandcastle themes.
Phil
2012/4/22 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com>
Hi,
for having a search bar, you can give Spotlight a try.
Gofer it squeaksource: 'Spotlight'; package: 'ConfigurationOfSpotlight'; load. (ConfigurationOfSpotlight project version: #bleedingEdge) load.
then, just press shift+enter :)
is not finished (because nobody is using it but me, he), but it is useful... it is just a OCompletion bar resembling spotlight from macs.
best, Esteban
On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, phil@highoctane.be wrote:
Yes, Nautilus is ubernice. Especially given the forthcoming search bar :-p
The help panel cutting the bottom pane in two is all right but then, could we have it with a smaller font? I drives me nuts to have to scroll down there.
Phil
2012/4/22 Sean P. DeNigris <sean@clipperadams.com>
Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for plugins...
A few suggestions... * Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the convention is (e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should group all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate packages * I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as soon as I opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard focus anywhere useful. Options: - search bar - typing brings up the class search dialog - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts right away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options: - cmd-F to search packages - cmd-f to search classes - start typing to do a basic package search * creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the "messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code pane, and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because the selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the template, but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless because when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to double-click anyway. Two suggestions - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" menu item that transfers focus to the preselected template - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template * back/forward buttons for history navigation? * a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them
Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed!
Cheers, Sean
-- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Nautilus-first-impression-tp4578301p4578301.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
-- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve"
Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be
High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges
-- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve"
Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be
High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges
-- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve"
Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be
High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
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Benjamin -
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Mariano Martinez Peck -
phil＠highoctane.be -
Sean P. DeNigris -
Stéphane Ducasse