What is switch universe in Bloc?
I took a look at the latest Brick, and did 'switch universe' before opening the Brick examples. Resizing the Pharo window resulted in a black screen. If I first create a Bloc world, resizing works. (Ubuntu 15.04) Stephan
Hi Did you choose "Switch universe" or "Switch universe [OSWindow]"? I don't know about Linux but latest version of Brick with latest vm is stable and confirmed to work on windows and Mac. P.S. For Bloc related stuff we have discussions-bloc@pharo.org On Nov 5, 2015 1:30 PM, "Stephan Eggermont" <stephan@stack.nl> wrote:
I took a look at the latest Brick, and did 'switch universe' before opening the Brick examples. Resizing the Pharo window resulted in a black screen. If I first create a Bloc world, resizing works. (Ubuntu 15.04)
Stephan
On 5 November 2015 at 13:54, Aliaksei Syrel <alex.syrel@gmail.com> wrote:
P.S. For Bloc related stuff we have discussions-bloc@pharo.org
Where is this list hosted ? how can we register ? -- Damien Pollet type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet
On 05 Nov 2015, at 09:54, Aliaksei Syrel <alex.syrel@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi
Did you choose "Switch universe" or "Switch universe [OSWindow]"?
I don't know about Linux but latest version of Brick with latest vm is stable and confirmed to work on windows and Mac.
P.S. For Bloc related stuff we have discussions-bloc@pharo.org <mailto:discussions-bloc@pharo.org>But this is a mailingst that is manually managed, if this is supposed to be public we need to move to to Mailman.
Marcus
I took a look at the latest Brick, and did 'switch universe' before opening the Brick examples. Resizing the Pharo window resulted in a black screen. If I first create a Bloc world, resizing works. (Ubuntu 15.04)
I checked Brick on Linux and it works + Bloc in OSWindow works perfectly too:[image: Inline image 1] Here is my environment: $ uname -a
Linux hata 3.14.0-4-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Apr 9 21:11:25 CEST 2014 x86_64 GNU/Linux
$ whereis pharo
pharo: /usr/bin/pharo
$ pharo --version
3.9-7 #1 Thu Nov 5 00:34:36 CET 2015 gcc 4.6.3 [Production ITHB VM] NBCoInterpreter NativeBoost-CogPlugin-EstebanLorenzano.21 uuid: 4d9b9bdf-2dfa-4c0b-99eb-5b110dadc697 Nov 5 2015 NBCogit NativeBoost-CogPlugin-EstebanLorenzano.21 uuid: 4d9b9bdf-2dfa-4c0b-99eb-5b110dadc697 Nov 5 2015 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm.git Commit: 28d077d8df494ce050ca42c97c892471e8b8740c Date: 2015-10-16 12:02:43 +0200 By: Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> Jenkins build #15014
Linux pharo-linux 3.2.0-31-generic-pae #50-Ubuntu SMP Fri Sep 7 16:39:45
UTC 2012 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux plugin path: /usr/share/pharo-vm/ [default: /usr/share/pharo-vm/]
I installed SDL2 package
$ sdl2-config --version 2.0.3
Downloaded pharo image:
Pharo5.0 Latest update: #50420
Make sure to follow the following Guide on Pharo.org for 64bit Linux if it is the case. http://pharo.org/gnu-linux-installation#64-bit-System-Setup In case you will not manage to make it run, send an email :) Cheers, Alex
On 05-11-15 16:25, Aliaksei Syrel wrote:
$ pharo --version
3.9-7 #1 Thu Nov 5 00:34:36 CET 2015 gcc 4.6.3 [Production ITHB VM]
It looks like I have an old version /usr/bin/pharo-vm-x --version 3.9-7 #1 Sat Feb 14 16:10:09 UTC 2015 gcc 4.9.1 [Production ITHB VM] NBCoInterpreter NativeBoost-CogPlugin-EstebanLorenzano.21 uuid: 4d9b9bdf-2dfa-4c0b-99eb-5b110dadc697 Feb 14 2015 NBCogit NativeBoost-CogPlugin-EstebanLorenzano.21 uuid: 4d9b9bdf-2dfa-4c0b-99eb-5b110dadc697 Feb 14 2015 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm.git Commit: 447f247306f31b843ecce66cabf82bc6f6c42103 Date: 2014-11-29 09:42:26 +0100 By: Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> Jenkins build #14881 Linux lgw01-08 3.13.0-45-generic #74-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jan 13 19:36:28 UTC 2015 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux plugin path: /usr/lib/pharo-vm/ [default: /usr/lib/pharo-vm/] Interesting to see such an old gcc version used with current production (2012-3-1 released) Stephan
Hi Marcus How much effort would it take to make Bloc list public? Cheers On Nov 5, 2015 3:22 PM, "Marcus Denker" <marcus.denker@inria.fr> wrote:
On 05 Nov 2015, at 09:54, Aliaksei Syrel <alex.syrel@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi
Did you choose "Switch universe" or "Switch universe [OSWindow]"?
I don't know about Linux but latest version of Brick with latest vm is stable and confirmed to work on windows and Mac.
P.S. For Bloc related stuff we have discussions-bloc@pharo.org
But this is a mailingst that is manually managed, if this is supposed to be public we need to move to to Mailman.
Marcus
Why does it need a separate list ? If Bloc is/will become a fundamental part of Pharo it belongs to the general dev list.
On 06 Nov 2015, at 11:07, Aliaksei Syrel <alex.syrel@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Marcus
How much effort would it take to make Bloc list public?
Cheers
On Nov 5, 2015 3:22 PM, "Marcus Denker" <marcus.denker@inria.fr> wrote:
On 05 Nov 2015, at 09:54, Aliaksei Syrel <alex.syrel@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi
Did you choose "Switch universe" or "Switch universe [OSWindow]"?
I don't know about Linux but latest version of Brick with latest vm is stable and confirmed to work on windows and Mac.
P.S. For Bloc related stuff we have discussions-bloc@pharo.org
But this is a mailingst that is manually managed, if this is supposed to be public we need to move to to Mailman.
Marcus
:) Bloc is in rapid development. Api/logic changes dramatically, not all concepts still clear and Pharo dev list creates to many noise about Bloc. People will start thinking that it is done and will start using it. Then they will ask noob questions or point to something that does not work/not implemented and we know that it is not implemented. Then they may complain about lack of documentation and no examples and in the end they will end up with not the best impression of Bloc and will likely not accept it when it is done. Also it is always complicated to change/remove something that is in use. Pharo dev list is for "open-beta testing". Bloc list for "close testing". Having in a loop 10 people easier than 100-1000. Complains are acceptable ;) On Nov 6, 2015 11:15 AM, "Sven Van Caekenberghe" <sven@stfx.eu> wrote:
Why does it need a separate list ?
If Bloc is/will become a fundamental part of Pharo it belongs to the general dev list.
On 06 Nov 2015, at 11:07, Aliaksei Syrel <alex.syrel@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Marcus
How much effort would it take to make Bloc list public?
Cheers
On Nov 5, 2015 3:22 PM, "Marcus Denker" <marcus.denker@inria.fr> wrote:
On 05 Nov 2015, at 09:54, Aliaksei Syrel <alex.syrel@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi
Did you choose "Switch universe" or "Switch universe [OSWindow]"?
I don't know about Linux but latest version of Brick with latest vm is stable and confirmed to work on windows and Mac.
P.S. For Bloc related stuff we have discussions-bloc@pharo.org
But this is a mailingst that is manually managed, if this is supposed to be public we need to move to to Mailman.
Marcus
On 06 Nov 2015, at 07:31, Aliaksei Syrel <alex.syrel@gmail.com> wrote:
:) Bloc is in rapid development. Api/logic changes dramatically, not all concepts still clear and Pharo dev list creates to many noise about Bloc. People will start thinking that it is done and will start using it. Then they will ask noob questions or point to something that does not work/not implemented and we know that it is not implemented. Then they may complain about lack of documentation and no examples and in the end they will end up with not the best impression of Bloc and will likely not accept it when it is done. Also it is always complicated to change/remove something that is in use.
Pharo dev list is for "open-beta testing". Bloc list for "close testing". Having in a loop 10 people easier than 100-1000.
But now that you told everyone to subscribe to the list (which means I will set up a real mailing list), there will be 100 people on it within a day. Marcus
"Then they may complain about lack of documentation and no examples and in the end they will end up with not the best impression of Bloc and will likely not accept it when it is done" Are we talking about the same Bloc here , because the last time I checked it contained like "1000" examples. I dont think I ever seen 1/10th of examples that Bloc provides in any other Pharo Library/ tool. Bloc is an example by itself to be followed not complain about. Sure its still WIP , most of us are aware of it and almost ( ? ) none of us use it in production anyway. And since this is suppose to be the replacement of Morphic maybe having people using it will increase the amount of people contributing into it ? Just saying. For my custom GUI project I chose Morphic, which is what I recommend as the best GUI option inside Pharo. But I close an eye to Bloc and hope for the best ;)
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