World Menu associated mouse click
A while back on reddit someone complained about the World Menu being associated with left-mouse-click. I have come to agree. The World Menu provides the actions available in the context of the World, i.e. the World's context-menu - but its not invoked by the usual convention for context menus, which is the right-mouse-click. By way of example, in a fresh image and open one Playground. * First right-click the Playground. Up comes the Playground's context-menu as expected per industry wide conventions. * Then right-click the background. Doh! Its not consistent, thats not the World's context-menu. "WTH is that?" says a newbie in surprise. (Btw, who uses that list of open windows ? I *never* do and might suggest that function be moved to a meta-mouse-click.) So can we discuss changing the World Menu to be invoked by the context-click (i.e. right-click) ? cheers -ben
Hi, There is a setting to have this consistence (deactivated by default): Appearance>Desktop>Invert right click on world menu in Linux and Windows By the way, the buttons are not inverted under Mac (conventional). I agree that the context click should open the world menu by default.. Cheers, Vincent -----Message d'origine----- De : Pharo-dev [mailto:pharo-dev-bounces@lists.pharo.org] De la part de Ben Coman Envoyé : lundi 17 août 2015 15:52 à : Pharo Development List Objet : [Pharo-dev] World Menu associated mouse click A while back on reddit someone complained about the World Menu being associated with left-mouse-click. I have come to agree. The World Menu provides the actions available in the context of the World, i.e. the World's context-menu - but its not invoked by the usual convention for context menus, which is the right-mouse-click. By way of example, in a fresh image and open one Playground. * First right-click the Playground. Up comes the Playground's context-menu as expected per industry wide conventions. * Then right-click the background. Doh! Its not consistent, thats not the World's context-menu. "WTH is that?" says a newbie in surprise. (Btw, who uses that list of open windows ? I *never* do and might suggest that function be moved to a meta-mouse-click.) So can we discuss changing the World Menu to be invoked by the context-click (i.e. right-click) ? cheers -ben Ce message et les pièces jointes sont confidentiels et réservés à l'usage exclusif de ses destinataires. Il peut également être protégé par le secret professionnel. Si vous recevez ce message par erreur, merci d'en avertir immédiatement l'expéditeur et de le détruire. L'intégrité du message ne pouvant être assurée sur Internet, la responsabilité de Worldline ne pourra être recherchée quant au contenu de ce message. Bien que les meilleurs efforts soient faits pour maintenir cette transmission exempte de tout virus, l'expéditeur ne donne aucune garantie à cet égard et sa responsabilité ne saurait être recherchée pour tout dommage résultant d'un virus transmis. This e-mail and the documents attached are confidential and intended solely for the addressee; it may also be privileged. If you receive this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy it. As its integrity cannot be secured on the Internet, the Worldline liability cannot be triggered for the message content. Although the sender endeavours to maintain a computer virus-free network, the sender does not warrant that this transmission is virus-free and will not be liable for any damages resulting from any virus transmitted.
2015-08-17 16:07 GMT+02:00 Blondeau Vincent <vincent.blondeau@worldline.com> :
Hi,
There is a setting to have this consistence (deactivated by default): Appearance>Desktop>Invert right click on world menu in Linux and Windows
By the way, the buttons are not inverted under Mac (conventional).
I agree that the context click should open the world menu by default..
+1
Cheers, Vincent
-----Message d'origine----- De : Pharo-dev [mailto:pharo-dev-bounces@lists.pharo.org] De la part de Ben Coman Envoyé : lundi 17 août 2015 15:52 à : Pharo Development List Objet : [Pharo-dev] World Menu associated mouse click
A while back on reddit someone complained about the World Menu being associated with left-mouse-click. I have come to agree. The World Menu provides the actions available in the context of the World, i.e. the World's context-menu - but its not invoked by the usual convention for context menus, which is the right-mouse-click.
By way of example, in a fresh image and open one Playground.
* First right-click the Playground. Up comes the Playground's context-menu as expected per industry wide conventions.
* Then right-click the background. Doh! Its not consistent, thats not the World's context-menu. "WTH is that?" says a newbie in surprise. (Btw, who uses that list of open windows ? I *never* do and might suggest that function be moved to a meta-mouse-click.)
So can we discuss changing the World Menu to be invoked by the context-click (i.e. right-click) ?
cheers -ben
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Btw in Bloc this has already been changed. On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess@web.de> wrote:
2015-08-17 16:07 GMT+02:00 Blondeau Vincent < vincent.blondeau@worldline.com>:
Hi,
There is a setting to have this consistence (deactivated by default): Appearance>Desktop>Invert right click on world menu in Linux and Windows
By the way, the buttons are not inverted under Mac (conventional).
I agree that the context click should open the world menu by default..
+1
Cheers, Vincent
-----Message d'origine----- De : Pharo-dev [mailto:pharo-dev-bounces@lists.pharo.org] De la part de Ben Coman Envoyé : lundi 17 août 2015 15:52 à : Pharo Development List Objet : [Pharo-dev] World Menu associated mouse click
A while back on reddit someone complained about the World Menu being associated with left-mouse-click. I have come to agree. The World Menu provides the actions available in the context of the World, i.e. the World's context-menu - but its not invoked by the usual convention for context menus, which is the right-mouse-click.
By way of example, in a fresh image and open one Playground.
* First right-click the Playground. Up comes the Playground's context-menu as expected per industry wide conventions.
* Then right-click the background. Doh! Its not consistent, thats not the World's context-menu. "WTH is that?" says a newbie in surprise. (Btw, who uses that list of open windows ? I *never* do and might suggest that function be moved to a meta-mouse-click.)
So can we discuss changing the World Menu to be invoked by the context-click (i.e. right-click) ?
cheers -ben
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If you are not ready to get out of your comfort zone , you wont be using Smalltalk. Sure change it to left click, but in the end it wont make much of a difference. Smalltalk is for a specific kind of people that are looking for a fresh approach to coding. For everyone else there is like a ton of languages that recycle old recipes and keep things familiar. On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 7:19 PM Peter Uhnák <i.uhnak@gmail.com> wrote:
Btw in Bloc this has already been changed.
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess@web.de> wrote:
2015-08-17 16:07 GMT+02:00 Blondeau Vincent < vincent.blondeau@worldline.com>:
Hi,
There is a setting to have this consistence (deactivated by default): Appearance>Desktop>Invert right click on world menu in Linux and Windows
By the way, the buttons are not inverted under Mac (conventional).
I agree that the context click should open the world menu by default..
+1
Cheers, Vincent
-----Message d'origine----- De : Pharo-dev [mailto:pharo-dev-bounces@lists.pharo.org] De la part de Ben Coman Envoyé : lundi 17 août 2015 15:52 à : Pharo Development List Objet : [Pharo-dev] World Menu associated mouse click
A while back on reddit someone complained about the World Menu being associated with left-mouse-click. I have come to agree. The World Menu provides the actions available in the context of the World, i.e. the World's context-menu - but its not invoked by the usual convention for context menus, which is the right-mouse-click.
By way of example, in a fresh image and open one Playground.
* First right-click the Playground. Up comes the Playground's context-menu as expected per industry wide conventions.
* Then right-click the background. Doh! Its not consistent, thats not the World's context-menu. "WTH is that?" says a newbie in surprise. (Btw, who uses that list of open windows ? I *never* do and might suggest that function be moved to a meta-mouse-click.)
So can we discuss changing the World Menu to be invoked by the context-click (i.e. right-click) ?
cheers -ben
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On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 9:15 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
If you are not ready to get out of your comfort zone , you wont be using Smalltalk. Sure change it to left click, but in the end it wont make much of a difference. Smalltalk is for a specific kind of people that are looking for a fresh approach to coding. For everyone else there is like a ton of languages that recycle old recipes and keep things familiar.
Unless, of course, the red button was chosen out of convenience since Mac had only one mouse button. (This is just my guess.) But importantly there's difference between "keeping things familiar with the universe (other OS/langs/...)" and "being internally consistent" (every menu except for the world menu is opened with right/yellow button). Now the great thing about Pharo is that everything can change if it makes sense. :)
Or you could end up making everything easy to customize and allow the user to decide what is best for him or her. After all this a big reason why tools like vim and emacs are so popular. Fortunately we see a move of Pharo away of hard coded stuff. On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 12:40 AM Peter Uhnák <i.uhnak@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 9:15 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
If you are not ready to get out of your comfort zone , you wont be using Smalltalk. Sure change it to left click, but in the end it wont make much of a difference. Smalltalk is for a specific kind of people that are looking for a fresh approach to coding. For everyone else there is like a ton of languages that recycle old recipes and keep things familiar.
Unless, of course, the red button was chosen out of convenience since Mac had only one mouse button. (This is just my guess.) But importantly there's difference between "keeping things familiar with the universe (other OS/langs/...)" and "being internally consistent" (every menu except for the world menu is opened with right/yellow button).
Now the great thing about Pharo is that everything can change if it makes sense. :)
-----Message d'origine----- De : Pharo-dev [mailto:pharo-dev-bounces@lists.pharo.org] De la part de Ben Coman Envoyé : lundi 17 août 2015 15:52 à : Pharo Development List Objet : [Pharo-dev] World Menu associated mouse click
A while back on reddit someone complained about the World Menu being associated with left-mouse-click. I have come to agree. The World Menu provides the actions available in the context of the World, i.e. the World's context-menu - but its not invoked by the usual convention for context menus, which is the right-mouse-click.
By way of example, in a fresh image and open one Playground.
* First right-click the Playground. Up comes the Playground's context-menu as expected per industry wide conventions.
* Then right-click the background. Doh! Its not consistent, thats not the World's context-menu. "WTH is that?" says a newbie in surprise. (Btw, who uses that list of open windows ? I *never* do and might suggest that function be moved to a meta-mouse-click.)
So can we discuss changing the World Menu to be invoked by the context-click (i.e. right-click) ?
cheers -ben
2015-08-17 16:07 GMT+02:00 Blondeau Vincent <vincent.blondeau@worldline.com>:
There is a setting to have this consistence (deactivated by default): Appearance>Desktop>Invert right click on world menu in Linux and Windows
By the way, the buttons are not inverted under Mac (conventional).
I agree that the context click should open the world menu by default..
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess@web.de> wrote:
+1
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 7:19 PM Peter Uhnák <i.uhnak@gmail.com> wrote:
Btw in Bloc this has already been changed.
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 9:15 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
If you are not ready to get out of your comfort zone , you wont be using Smalltalk. Sure change it to left click, but in the end it wont make much of a difference. Smalltalk is for a specific kind of people that are looking for a fresh approach to coding. For everyone else there is like a ton of languages that recycle old recipes and keep things familiar.
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 5:39 AM, Peter Uhnák <i.uhnak@gmail.com> wrote:
importantly there's difference between "keeping things familiar with the universe (other OS/langs/...)" and "being internally consistent" (every menu except for the world menu is opened with right/yellow button).
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 3:15 AM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
If you are not ready to get out of your comfort zone , you wont be using Smalltalk. Sure change it to left click, but in the end it wont make much of a difference. Smalltalk is for a specific kind of people that are looking for a fresh approach to coding. For everyone else there is like a ton of languages that recycle old recipes and keep things familiar.
Of course I subscribe to the view of our uniqueness :) - but its not sufficient as the only argument. We should not be complacent to use that as a crutch to keep things the way they have always been because that is "our" comfort zone. cheers -ben
Opened issue with fix - https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?16265 On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 12:13 AM, Ben Coman <btc@openinworld.com> wrote:
-----Message d'origine----- De : Pharo-dev [mailto:pharo-dev-bounces@lists.pharo.org] De la part de Ben Coman A while back on reddit someone complained about the World Menu being associated with left-mouse-click. I have come to agree. The World Menu provides the actions available in the context of the World, i.e. the World's context-menu - but its not invoked by the usual convention for context menus, which is the right-mouse-click.
By way of example, in a fresh image and open one Playground.
* First right-click the Playground. Up comes the Playground's context-menu as expected per industry wide conventions.
* Then right-click the background. Doh! Its not consistent, thats not the World's context-menu. "WTH is that?" says a newbie in surprise. (Btw, who uses that list of open windows ? I *never* do and might suggest that function be moved to a meta-mouse-click.)
So can we discuss changing the World Menu to be invoked by the context-click (i.e. right-click) ?
cheers -ben
and what about the existing right click menu for selecting morphs ? On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 8:09 PM Ben Coman <btc@openinworld.com> wrote:
Opened issue with fix - https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?16265
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 12:13 AM, Ben Coman <btc@openinworld.com> wrote:
-----Message d'origine----- De : Pharo-dev [mailto:pharo-dev-bounces@lists.pharo.org] De la part de Ben Coman A while back on reddit someone complained about the World Menu being associated with left-mouse-click. I have come to agree. The World Menu provides the actions available in the context of the World, i.e. the World's context-menu - but its not invoked by the usual convention for context menus, which is the right-mouse-click.
By way of example, in a fresh image and open one Playground.
* First right-click the Playground. Up comes the Playground's context-menu as expected per industry wide conventions.
* Then right-click the background. Doh! Its not consistent, thats not the World's context-menu. "WTH is that?" says a newbie in surprise. (Btw, who uses that list of open windows ? I *never* do and might suggest that function be moved to a meta-mouse-click.)
So can we discuss changing the World Menu to be invoked by the context-click (i.e. right-click) ?
cheers -ben
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 8:09 PM Ben Coman <btc@openinworld.com> wrote:
Opened issue with fix - https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?16265
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 12:13 AM, Ben Coman <btc@openinworld.com> wrote:
-----Message d'origine----- De : Pharo-dev [mailto:pharo-dev-bounces@lists.pharo.org] De la part de Ben Coman A while back on reddit someone complained about the World Menu being associated with left-mouse-click. I have come to agree. The World Menu provides the actions available in the context of the World, i.e. the World's context-menu - but its not invoked by the usual convention for context menus, which is the right-mouse-click.
By way of example, in a fresh image and open one Playground.
* First right-click the Playground. Up comes the Playground's context-menu as expected per industry wide conventions.
* Then right-click the background. Doh! Its not consistent, thats not the World's context-menu. "WTH is that?" says a newbie in surprise. (Btw, who uses that list of open windows ? I *never* do and might suggest that function be moved to a meta-mouse-click.)
So can we discuss changing the World Menu to be invoked by the context-click (i.e. right-click) ?
cheers -ben
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:42 AM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
and what about the existing right click menu for selecting morphs ?
Well I never use it ;) but I presume from your question that you do. With no further action, this behaviour will be swapped to the left-click. You can test this yourself in the latest build with the preference setting mentioned previously. To me though, as a separate issue, this is meta behaviour and should be invoked the same as bringing up halos, leaving the left-click unassigned and available for *something-else* application specific. cheers -ben
Can't say I use it much either. On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:42 AM Ben Coman <btc@openinworld.com> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 8:09 PM Ben Coman <btc@openinworld.com> wrote:
Opened issue with fix - https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?16265
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 12:13 AM, Ben Coman <btc@openinworld.com>
wrote:
-----Message d'origine----- De : Pharo-dev [mailto:pharo-dev-bounces@lists.pharo.org] De la part de Ben Coman A while back on reddit someone complained about the World Menu being associated with left-mouse-click. I have come to agree. The World Menu provides the actions available in the context of the World, i.e. the World's context-menu - but its not invoked by the usual convention for context menus, which is the right-mouse-click.
By way of example, in a fresh image and open one Playground.
* First right-click the Playground. Up comes the Playground's context-menu as expected per industry wide conventions.
* Then right-click the background. Doh! Its not consistent, thats not the World's context-menu. "WTH is that?" says a newbie in surprise. (Btw, who uses that list of open windows ? I *never* do and might suggest that function be moved to a meta-mouse-click.)
So can we discuss changing the World Menu to be invoked by the context-click (i.e. right-click) ?
cheers -ben
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:42 AM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
and what about the existing right click menu for selecting morphs ?
Well I never use it ;) but I presume from your question that you do. With no further action, this behaviour will be swapped to the left-click. You can test this yourself in the latest build with the preference setting mentioned previously. To me though, as a separate issue, this is meta behaviour and should be invoked the same as bringing up halos, leaving the left-click unassigned and available for *something-else* application specific.
cheers -ben
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