Hi I found the blue rectangle morph painful because it blocks me when I want to freely edit expression and result. Would it be possible that when I type enter the blue rectangle text is paste in the pane below its expression. Right now I have to copy and paste explictly and it not working. I hate so much this broken interaction.... Example (20@200) printString get blue rectangle press copy parentheses got hilighlited no idea why then I press enter to go to the next line (my selection vanished of course because the magic things selected everything automatically) and I can paste the result and start to edit it. I sincerly hope that GT guys will understand and modify it because right now this is a show stopper to me. It breaks so badly interaction with texts. Stef
Hi Stef, Thanks a lot for the detailed report. Comments inline. On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 9:11 PM, stepharo <stepharo@free.fr> wrote:
Hi
I found the blue rectangle morph painful because it blocks me when I want to freely edit expression and result. Would it be possible that when I type enter the blue rectangle text is paste in the pane below its expression.
We are debating this feature since quite a while and we indeed need to settle on a solution. Esteban also wanted Enter, and I was more inclined towards Cmd+v. I opened an issue: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/14711/The-Playground-print-popper-should-a... Right now I have to copy and paste explictly and it not working. I hate so
much this broken interaction....
Indeed. The main use case considered for the popper (that is the name of the widget) is to not get the original editor dirty. The current way to do things is like this: - Cmd+c - Esc - Right Arrow - Cmd+v Clearly not ideal. Example
(20@200) printString get blue rectangle press copy parentheses got hilighlited no idea why
There are two things here, and this is confusing right now in the Pharo theme: The background of the popper has the same background as the text selection: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/14712/The-print-popper-should-have-a-diffe... The reason you see the parantheses selected is due to the smart parantheses mechanism that I did not know how to suppress only for one text widget :(.
then I press enter to go to the next line (my selection vanished of course because the magic things selected everything automatically)
The selection is the same as in the previous interface. For example, in a basic Workspace, press Cmd+i without selecting anything and the whole like will be selected. We cannot just erase the selection when we exit the popper because sometimes you actually have an explicit selection that you should not lose. But, coming to think about it, we should probably use the highlighting mechanism for the text instead of the selection one. I will look into this.
and I can paste the result and start to edit it.
I sincerly hope that GT guys will understand and modify it because right
now this is a show stopper to me. It breaks so badly interaction with texts.
We will fix this, but in the meantime, could you tell me the use case for which you need to paste the text in the same editor? I am asking because I would like to learn as I never need to do it. This is why the interface does not support that action so I need to learn the use case :). Cheers, Doru
Stef
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On 12 Jan 2015, at 04:00, Tudor Girba <tudor@tudorgirba.com> wrote:
Hi Stef,
Thanks a lot for the detailed report. Comments inline.
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 9:11 PM, stepharo <stepharo@free.fr <mailto:stepharo@free.fr>> wrote: Hi
I found the blue rectangle morph painful because it blocks me when I want to freely edit expression and result. Would it be possible that when I type enter the blue rectangle text is paste in the pane below its expression.
We are debating this feature since quite a while and we indeed need to settle on a solution. Esteban also wanted Enter, and I was more inclined towards Cmd+v.
IMPOV, enter feels more easy to understand, while cmd+v feels the oposite (because you are proposing a cmd+v without the previous cmd+c). So, I still vote for enter :)
I opened an issue: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/14711/The-Playground-print-popper-should-a... <https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/14711/The-Playground-print-popper-should-a...>
Right now I have to copy and paste explictly and it not working. I hate so much this broken interaction....
Indeed. The main use case considered for the popper (that is the name of the widget) is to not get the original editor dirty. The current way to do things is like this: - Cmd+c - Esc - Right Arrow - Cmd+v
Clearly not ideal.
Example
(20@200) printString get blue rectangle press copy parentheses got hilighlited no idea why
There are two things here, and this is confusing right now in the Pharo theme: The background of the popper has the same background as the text selection: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/14712/The-print-popper-should-have-a-diffe... <https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/14712/The-print-popper-should-have-a-diffe...>
The reason you see the parantheses selected is due to the smart parantheses mechanism that I did not know how to suppress only for one text widget :(.
then I press enter to go to the next line (my selection vanished of course because the magic things selected everything automatically)
The selection is the same as in the previous interface. For example, in a basic Workspace, press Cmd+i without selecting anything and the whole like will be selected. We cannot just erase the selection when we exit the popper because sometimes you actually have an explicit selection that you should not lose. But, coming to think about it, we should probably use the highlighting mechanism for the text instead of the selection one. I will look into this.
and I can paste the result and start to edit it. I sincerly hope that GT guys will understand and modify it because right now this is a show stopper to me. It breaks so badly interaction with texts.
We will fix this, but in the meantime, could you tell me the use case for which you need to paste the text in the same editor? I am asking because I would like to learn as I never need to do it. This is why the interface does not support that action so I need to learn the use case :).
Cheers, Doru
Stef
-- www.tudorgirba.com <http://www.tudorgirba.com/>
"Every thing has its own flow"
On 13 Jan 2015, at 17:43, stepharo <stepharo@free.fr> wrote:
IMPOV, enter feels more easy to understand, while cmd+v feels the oposite (because you are proposing a cmd+v without the previous cmd+c). So, I still vote for enter :)
+ 1
Stef, be sure to read all mail, this was already fixed today: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/14711 Sven
It is indeed fixed in the GT repo. We still have to test a bit and we will announce when it's done. Doru On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 6:54 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven@stfx.eu> wrote:
On 13 Jan 2015, at 17:43, stepharo <stepharo@free.fr> wrote:
IMPOV, enter feels more easy to understand, while cmd+v feels the
oposite (because you are proposing a cmd+v without the previous cmd+c).
So, I still vote for enter :)
+ 1
Stef, be sure to read all mail, this was already fixed today:
https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/14711
Sven
-- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"
The frustration that I have with the bubble is the saem that I have in front of pdf in readonly or a file open that you cannot grab and find on your local disc.
I found the blue rectangle morph painful because it blocks me when I want to freely edit expression and result. Would it be possible that when I type enter the blue rectangle text is paste in the pane below its expression.
We are debating this feature since quite a while and we indeed need to settle on a solution. Esteban also wanted Enter, and I was more inclined towards Cmd+v.
I opened an issue: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/14711/The-Playground-print-popper-should-a...
why not return?
Right now I have to copy and paste explictly and it not working. I hate so much this broken interaction....
Indeed. The main use case considered for the popper (that is the name of the widget) is to not get the original editor dirty. The current way to do things is like this: - Cmd+c - Esc - Right Arrow - Cmd+v
Clearly not ideal.
Example
(20@200) printString get blue rectangle press copy parentheses got hilighlited no idea why
There are two things here, and this is confusing right now in the Pharo theme: The background of the popper has the same background as the text selection: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/14712/The-print-popper-should-have-a-diffe...
The reason you see the parantheses selected is due to the smart parantheses mechanism that I did not know how to suppress only for one text widget :(.
No there is a also the automatic selection and the fact that enter delete the selection. And undo does not work well.
then I press enter to go to the next line (my selection vanished of course because the magic things selected everything automatically)
The selection is the same as in the previous interface. For example, in a basic Workspace, press Cmd+i without selecting anything and the whole like will be selected. We cannot just erase the selection when we exit the popper because sometimes you actually have an explicit selection that you should not lose. But, coming to think about it, we should probably use the highlighting mechanism for the text instead of the selection one. I will look into this.
I do not get it. But I can tell that the current solution does not work.
and I can paste the result and start to edit it.
I sincerly hope that GT guys will understand and modify it because right now this is a show stopper to me. It breaks so badly interaction with texts.
We will fix this, but in the meantime, could you tell me the use case for which you need to paste the text in the same editor? I am asking because I would like to learn as I never need to do it. This is why the interface does not support that action so I need to learn the use case :).
Soemtimes I want to compare two expressions. Something two times the same or not Something I want to show the results of multiple expressions to students I WANT FREE TEXT!!! I hate a system that tries and fails to look smart Stef
Cheers, Doru
Stef
-- www.tudorgirba.com <http://www.tudorgirba.com>
"Every thing has its own flow"
I share your experience. It often happen that I would like to copy and paste the result of a cmd-p action. Maybe if I do a cmd-c action on blue rectangle it can copy the printstring of it? Alexandre
Le 11 janv. 2015 à 17:11, stepharo <stepharo@free.fr> a écrit :
Hi
I found the blue rectangle morph painful because it blocks me when I want to freely edit expression and result. Would it be possible that when I type enter the blue rectangle text is paste in the pane below its expression. Right now I have to copy and paste explictly and it not working. I hate so much this broken interaction....
Example
(20@200) printString get blue rectangle press copy parentheses got hilighlited no idea why then I press enter to go to the next line (my selection vanished of course because the magic things selected everything automatically) and I can paste the result and start to edit it.
I sincerly hope that GT guys will understand and modify it because right now this is a show stopper to me. It breaks so badly interaction with texts.
Stef
Hi, Cmd+c does copy the text in the clipboard. Cheers, Doru On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 1:33 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel@me.com> wrote:
I share your experience. It often happen that I would like to copy and paste the result of a cmd-p action. Maybe if I do a cmd-c action on blue rectangle it can copy the printstring of it?
Alexandre
Le 11 janv. 2015 à 17:11, stepharo <stepharo@free.fr> a écrit :
Hi
I found the blue rectangle morph painful because it blocks me when I want to freely edit expression and result. Would it be possible that when I type enter the blue rectangle text is paste in the pane below its expression. Right now I have to copy and paste explictly and it not working. I hate so much this broken interaction....
Example
(20@200) printString get blue rectangle press copy parentheses got hilighlited no idea why then I press enter to go to the next line (my selection vanished of course because the magic things selected everything automatically) and I can paste the result and start to edit it.
I sincerly hope that GT guys will understand and modify it because right now this is a show stopper to me. It breaks so badly interaction with texts.
Stef
-- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"
Le 12/1/15 13:35, Tudor Girba a écrit :
Hi,
Cmd+c does copy the text in the clipboard.
yes but this is really annoying because you have do copy deselect enter paste while enter should just to it for the situation we want to paste in the same text pane. Stef
Cheers, Doru
On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 1:33 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel@me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote:
I share your experience. It often happen that I would like to copy and paste the result of a cmd-p action. Maybe if I do a cmd-c action on blue rectangle it can copy the printstring of it?
Alexandre
> Le 11 janv. 2015 à 17:11, stepharo <stepharo@free.fr <mailto:stepharo@free.fr>> a écrit : > > Hi > > I found the blue rectangle morph painful because it blocks me when I want to freely edit expression and result. > Would it be possible that when I type enter the blue rectangle text is paste in the pane below its expression. > Right now I have to copy and paste explictly and it not working. I hate so much this broken interaction.... > > Example > > (20@200) printString get blue rectangle > press copy parentheses got hilighlited no idea why > then I press enter to go to the next line (my selection vanished of course because the magic things selected everything automatically) > and I can paste the result and start to edit it. > > I sincerly hope that GT guys will understand and modify it because right now this is a show stopper to me. > It breaks so badly interaction with texts. > > Stef > >
-- www.tudorgirba.com <http://www.tudorgirba.com>
"Every thing has its own flow"
Le 12/1/15 13:33, Alexandre Bergel a écrit :
I share your experience. It often happen that I would like to copy and paste the result of a cmd-p action. Maybe if I do a cmd-c action on blue rectangle it can copy the printstring of it?
The problem is that after you have to deselect the expression because else you lose it and this is really annoying. I think that enter should deselect the current expression and paster the result on the following line. Stef
Alexandre
Le 11 janv. 2015 à 17:11, stepharo <stepharo@free.fr> a écrit :
Hi
I found the blue rectangle morph painful because it blocks me when I want to freely edit expression and result. Would it be possible that when I type enter the blue rectangle text is paste in the pane below its expression. Right now I have to copy and paste explictly and it not working. I hate so much this broken interaction....
Example
(20@200) printString get blue rectangle press copy parentheses got hilighlited no idea why then I press enter to go to the next line (my selection vanished of course because the magic things selected everything automatically) and I can paste the result and start to edit it.
I sincerly hope that GT guys will understand and modify it because right now this is a show stopper to me. It breaks so badly interaction with texts.
Stef
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Tudor Girba