Re: [Pharo-project] Introspection on saved image file
Yossi did you try Moose? Because moose is a softare analysis platform to build browser and dashboards :) We are working on making sure that Moose built on pharo can analyse pharo itself. This is working but we want to make sure that we can running Moose 4.1 in pharo 1.2 analysing pharo 1.3 unstable. Stef On Nov 4, 2010, at 11:02 PM, YossiDM wrote:
Thanks, I'll try to dig that up - sounds like a good starting point. I am definitely looking to do the second option you mentioned which is to mirror the image so I can just use standard tools. Our app is mainly from seaside, so that would be the ideal way for me, though I can imagine us doing some things inside the image in morphic as well. I could batch out analysis as a job of some kind, but I would rather have real-time analysis.
Eliot Miranda-2 wrote:
very recently someone posted a link to a complete visualization of an image to pdf, I think on the squeak list. So yes, there are tools to do this. You can also load an image using the VMMaker and analyse it in that. Of course a really nice ay would be a mirror interface to the image so one could use standard tools to inspect it, but that's real work.
HTH Eliot
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Stéphane, Yes, we are definitely going to use Moose at some point and I have spent some time with it, but it is lower on our list of priorities. Not because there is anything bad about Moose, but rather we are trying to be pragmatic about our development scope. Moose is really extensive which is a good thing, but our original goal has already gotten far too ambitious in that we were doing introspection for learning, but now it's developing into a huge project on its own. I'll go into this later. The other piece is that we're looking to do a lot from a web interface and I know the models are applicable from Moose, but I am not so sure about all the visualizations (perhaps the models to generate the visualizations for sure). We are also looking at Glamour in conjunction with all of this. I think it will help to explain what we're doing and why and then maybe you can make recommendations based on your experiences. I'll start a new thread so as not to go off on a huge tangent. Thanks. Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Yossi did you try Moose? Because moose is a softare analysis platform to build browser and dashboards :) We are working on making sure that Moose built on pharo can analyse pharo itself. This is working but we want to make sure that we can running Moose 4.1 in pharo 1.2 analysing pharo 1.3 unstable.
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Hi Yossi,
From the brief description it does look like Moose can offer several parts that might be of interest.
The best way to ask for information or help regarding Moose is on the Moose mailing list: http://www.moosetechnology.org/about/contact Cheers, Doru On 5 Nov 2010, at 00:13, YossiDM wrote:
Stéphane,
Yes, we are definitely going to use Moose at some point and I have spent some time with it, but it is lower on our list of priorities. Not because there is anything bad about Moose, but rather we are trying to be pragmatic about our development scope. Moose is really extensive which is a good thing, but our original goal has already gotten far too ambitious in that we were doing introspection for learning, but now it's developing into a huge project on its own. I'll go into this later.
The other piece is that we're looking to do a lot from a web interface and I know the models are applicable from Moose, but I am not so sure about all the visualizations (perhaps the models to generate the visualizations for sure). We are also looking at Glamour in conjunction with all of this.
I think it will help to explain what we're doing and why and then maybe you can make recommendations based on your experiences. I'll start a new thread so as not to go off on a huge tangent. Thanks.
Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Yossi did you try Moose? Because moose is a softare analysis platform to build browser and dashboards :) We are working on making sure that Moose built on pharo can analyse pharo itself. This is working but we want to make sure that we can running Moose 4.1 in pharo 1.2 analysing pharo 1.3 unstable.
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