Pharo 60 needs help on shortcuts-are-wrongly-displayed
https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/19660/shortcuts-are-wrongly-displayed The system should display Ctrl + s and not Ctrl + S Because people are pressing Shift to get S and this is not working. We should distinguish between uppercase and lowercase. The reader cannot guess that S is not the same as s + shift. There is no way that a user can know that they should NOT press shift when looking at Ctrl + S (because there is no noshiftPressed). Ctrl + S means press Shift.
The uperchase character is the symbol on the key. In OS X the uppercase characters are used: http://cdn.osxdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/access-library-lion.jpg In Chrome too: http://addoncrop.com/cdn/2014/12/Google-Chrome-Menu-Settions-option.png On Windows too: http://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/650x250xcontext-menu-sho... Cheers, -- Pavel 2017-02-06 17:57 GMT+01:00 Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self@gmail.com>:
https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/19660/shortcuts-are-wrongly-displayed
The system should display Ctrl + s and not Ctrl + S
Because people are pressing Shift to get S and this is not working. We should distinguish between uppercase and lowercase. The reader cannot guess that S is not the same as s + shift. There is no way that a user can know that they should NOT press shift when looking at Ctrl + S (because there is no noshiftPressed). Ctrl + S means press Shift.
On 7 Feb 2017, at 10:57, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek@gmail.com> wrote:
The uperchase character is the symbol on the key.
In OS X the uppercase characters are used: http://cdn.osxdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/access-library-lion.jpg <http://cdn.osxdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/access-library-lion.jpg>
In Chrome too: http://addoncrop.com/cdn/2014/12/Google-Chrome-Menu-Settions-option.png <http://addoncrop.com/cdn/2014/12/Google-Chrome-Menu-Settions-option.png>
On Windows too: http://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/650x250xcontext-menu-sho... <http://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/650x250xcontext-menu-sho...>
Cheers, -- Pavel
2017-02-06 17:57 GMT+01:00 Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self@gmail.com <mailto:stepharo.self@gmail.com>>: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/19660/shortcuts-are-wrongly-displayed <https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/19660/shortcuts-are-wrongly-displayed>
The system should display Ctrl + s and not Ctrl + S
Because people are pressing Shift to get S and this is not working. We should distinguish between uppercase and lowercase. The reader cannot guess that S is not the same as s + shift. There is no way that a user can know that they should NOT press shift when looking at Ctrl + S (because there is no noshiftPressed). Ctrl + S means press Shift.
key shorcuts are for key, not for character, thatâs why they point to the key in the keyboard. this is the universal standard, so I do not think we need to change it. as Pavel explain, is like that : - on mac: symbols + key - on linux and windows: modifiers + key (e.g. "Shift + S", "Ctrl + Shift + S") cheers, Esteban
I back up Pavel and Esteban here. On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote:
On 7 Feb 2017, at 10:57, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek@gmail.com> wrote:
The uperchase character is the symbol on the key.
In OS X the uppercase characters are used: http://cdn.osxdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/access-library-lion.jpg
In Chrome too: http://addoncrop.com/cdn/2014/12/Google-Chrome-Menu-Settions-option.png
On Windows too: http://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/650x250xcontext-menu- shortcuts-header.png.pagespeed.gp+jp+jw+pj+js+rj+ rp+rw+ri+cp+md.ic.SuZmOlpqkt.png
Cheers, -- Pavel
2017-02-06 17:57 GMT+01:00 Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self@gmail.com>:
https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/19660/shortcuts-are-wrongly-displayed
The system should display Ctrl + s and not Ctrl + S
Because people are pressing Shift to get S and this is not working. We should distinguish between uppercase and lowercase. The reader cannot guess that S is not the same as s + shift. There is no way that a user can know that they should NOT press shift when looking at Ctrl + S (because there is no noshiftPressed). Ctrl + S means press Shift.
key shorcuts are for key, not for character, thatâs why they point to the key in the keyboard. this is the universal standard, so I do not think we need to change it.
as Pavel explain, is like that :
- on mac: symbols + key - on linux and windows: modifiers + key (e.g. "Shift + S", "Ctrl + Shift + S")
cheers, Esteban
Ok let us close the bug entry. One less to go. Stef On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 11:24 AM, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito@gmail.com
wrote:
I back up Pavel and Esteban here.
On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote:
On 7 Feb 2017, at 10:57, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek@gmail.com> wrote:
The uperchase character is the symbol on the key.
In OS X the uppercase characters are used: http://cdn.osxdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/access- library-lion.jpg
In Chrome too: http://addoncrop.com/cdn/2014/12/Google-Chrome-Menu-Settions-option.png
On Windows too: http://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/650x250x context-menu-shortcuts-header.png.pagespeed.gp+jp+jw+pj+js+ rj+rp+rw+ri+cp+md.ic.SuZmOlpqkt.png
Cheers, -- Pavel
2017-02-06 17:57 GMT+01:00 Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self@gmail.com>:
https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/19660/shortcuts-are-wrongly-displayed
The system should display Ctrl + s and not Ctrl + S
Because people are pressing Shift to get S and this is not working. We should distinguish between uppercase and lowercase. The reader cannot guess that S is not the same as s + shift. There is no way that a user can know that they should NOT press shift when looking at Ctrl + S (because there is no noshiftPressed). Ctrl + S means press Shift.
key shorcuts are for key, not for character, thatâs why they point to the key in the keyboard. this is the universal standard, so I do not think we need to change it.
as Pavel explain, is like that :
- on mac: symbols + key - on linux and windows: modifiers + key (e.g. "Shift + S", "Ctrl + Shift + S")
cheers, Esteban
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Esteban Lorenzano -
Guillermo Polito -
Pavel Krivanek -
Stephane Ducasse