yes keep it there we have too much mailing-lists So can you do a unix/windows VM with the freeType pluging? Stef On Sep 11, 2008, at 12:03 AM, Igor Stasenko wrote:
2008/9/10 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre@bergel.eu>:
Igor,
Do you have a mailing list on Hydra? I think it is important to initiate the creation of a community around this idea. You may use googlecode for that.
there is not much activity in this area, worth creating new mailing list. Currently, i using squeak-dev or vm-dev mailing list for news & announcements. I asked community, maybe it is OT, but nobody complained about it, instead they want it there. :)
Cheers, Alexandre
On 10 Sep 2008, at 10:44, Igor Stasenko wrote:
2008/9/10 Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr>:
Well, as i said, putting FreeType into VM is simple thing. But maintaining a code base or regular basis is completely different thing. I'm not sure i have enough spare time to do this now. First, because i'm busy with Hydra VM. Second , I think you are aware, that Cog & Hydra will merge in future. Before this happens, i have little interest in supporting old-fashioned VMs :)
I planning to do a major refactoring in Hydra, after which , an Interpreter/ObjectMemory can be simulated in image. But this will have a major impact on backward compatibility.
But for minor changes, like in some plugins, it not hurts a lot. I think that, if you planning to maintain own VM, then i'll advice to split VMMaker package on two separate parts: - VM core - all plugins
Because VM is a big code bloat , which is hard to manipulate with.
Also, it would be good to have a common code repository, and separate tracker of bugs and fixes for VM/plugins, so it will make an integration easier for all interesting parties.
could you push this idea to the VM maintainers or start to do it?
yes i could, but do you think that i have a chance to be heard and my point to be accepted? :)
We are talking abut that since years. I still do not understand I thought that the svn of the vm code was such common code repository?
I tried to raise this topic on board meeting, concerning status of VM-dev group and the answer was like: - we already have things set up, and each maintainer know/doing things well. I'm not sure about current status, but i keep feeling that VM maintainers efforts dissipating due to lack of communication/collaboration. Maybe it is because i'm relatively new, and missing info about how things was set up long ago, before i came in, maybe people really collaborate behind the scenes, i don't know. What i really sure about, is that , it will not hurt to call for a status (re)clarification to know who doing what and how things working.
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