It vastly depends on the way it's presented. I'm a forth year student myself, I've been working for several years in java shops (& flex recently) and since I've discovered Pharo I started avoiding everything else :) The image itself, dev tools in the same vm that runs the application, excellent frameworks (seaside is much much much more easier to setup and also that much easier to use compared to any, any java web framework), the really nice api/kernel classes. I DO love it!, and I've been exposed to basically everything else popular :) However, one has to walk the path of pain (manually editing source code without highlight and completion, non-verbose compilers, missing debuggers, weird runtime dependencies/dll/jar hells, etc) to fully appreciate pharo and smalltalk in general. Otherwise he won't have the base to compare. Stanislav Paskalev On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
My point was not about pharo against squeak. I'm not at the microscopic level.... I'm just thinking that remembering when is the last we were bold and face a complete room to students knowing Java, ruby.... is a good way to get feedback on what we believe is cool.
Stef