Thanks for your efforts. But hype the correct parts used properly. NB is an FFI alternative; it has zip to do with "creating applications" which is code wordism for starting over on every little job you do, because whoever works that way hasn't yet caught on to adding a facade/package to hold the incremental changes that make this small job different from that small job. All the other stuff can be "included" with NO effort by simply leaving it there. It takes a while to explain this to a smart person because they have a lot unlearn before they can make real progress. ________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Lawson English [lenglish5@cox.net] Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 2:16 PM To: pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Smalltalk for small projects only? On 1/28/12 10:12 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: You say "underhyped" as though this is bad - *hype* is BAAAAADD. Junk needs hype to survive. It took me a while to learn that "creating an application" in ST is "hard" - it's because it's not well supported because the initiated don't waste their time with it _until_ it comes time to deploy, and even then, it's not NEEDED. We need to teach, not pander, IMHO. Show people that there is a better way and what it is. A glossy ad compliant C# "application" that does what my pharo image can do would be a MONSTER. No one would build such a thing because they probably could not do so. Keep adding good stuff. In fact, there IS a better way. Igor's NativeBoost and NBOpenGL are a game-changer. My video tutorials aren't terribly well done compared to many others out there, but I do hype them a bit. The ones that get the most attention, by far, are those that show how to integrate OpenGL and Smalltalk. You want Pharo/Squeak/Smalltalk to become better used? Ensure that the most interesting (to the most programmers) aspects become well-known, and at least as importantly, well-supported. Lawson