Nick & Yanni, Starting with a clean Pharo 1.4-one-click, running on a Mac, and loading as listed below (see botton of page), does not deliver the desired results. A trivial Magritte described object, rendered (via #call:) "...asComponent addValidatedForm; yourself)" displays only the buttons, and no content editors. It silently fails. My test is the most trivial test of the Person tutorial for Magritte, grab my partial version from MCHttpRepository location: 'http://www.debrispublishing.com/camshared' user: '' password: '' and package is 'Cam'. See the class method of the Manager to register the app; then open a browser on localhost:8080/cam and when one adds a person, there is nothing but buttons. Perhaps the pattern of use is deprecated? CamPersonManager>>add | p | p := self call: (CamPerson new asComponent addValidatedForm ; yourself). p ifNotNil: [ self persons add: p] This same trivial sample code does work in one Pier image I was using. But I was trying really hard to move to a 1.4 image, for the numerous small improvements and fixes; and as Yanni suggested, to be positioned for future support. *If anyone has seaside/Magritte working in 1.4 would you please share with me your exact loading scripts (in proper sequence), or a snapshot of the minimal image (without any extras, of course)?* In the meantime I will try a 1.3 build ... again. I have put a lot of hours in trying to get a 1.4 build that works -- and a few failed 1.3 builds. Everyone else seems to do this in stride. But apparently, I am doing something wrong... dumb... idiotic... and my co-workers are starting to doubt me & my choice of platforms. Any help is most appreciated. Thanks in advance, Cam PS: what I loaded and how -- using Pier config to get seaside & magritte combos that work together (with regard to #description, etc.). Gofer new squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; package: 'ConfigurationOfPier3'; load. (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfPier3) load. Gofer it squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; package: 'ConfigurationOfPier3AddOns'; load. (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfPier3AddOns) load. "Error about ImageSegment not being available -- used by #serialize: which is used by #snapshot -- but not an issue for me right now, so Proceed" Gofer it squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; package: 'ConfigurationOfFuel'; load. ((Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfFuel) project version: '1.8') load.