Hi! Torsten Bergmann wrote:
So you are educating them.... Frankly I stopped trying long time ago.
No, I just tell them what I think is necessary to move forward. Other may be more educated here, it is just sharing MHO so others can to form an own opinion.
Right, discussion is good. And believe me - the squeak-dev community is NOT oblivious to the needs of a package system. I mean, come on, Monticello, SqueakMap, Universes etc etc - it all was around before Pharo was born. What I have seen so far in Metacello is indeed nothing new - the senarios and discussions about dependencies etc go loooong way back. BUT... that *doesn't* mean I am passing any judgment on Metacello - IMHO all efforts are good per definition! :) I haven't formed an opinion myself.
I think it would be much more ... "becoming" (and fruitful) if we all could stop "trash talking" each other - especially those of us who play a "larger role".
+1
Thank you.
Meanwhile the Pharo community has grown with new members and many people dont care about old discussions.
Let's use our energy to move forward and (if possible) share as much knowledge and code as long as parts of our communities overlap.
Yes, exactly.
I therefore would really like to see a common exchange mechanism used on both sides.
I'm sure I'm not able to convince one or the other to use package systems like Metacello but at least I hope to make them think about the need of a more modular system.
Ehm, "a more modular system" has been on the table since... hell, way back to Squeak 3.3! And yeah, even earlier of course - you can probably track it back to PARC if you try hard. :) :) Anyway, "common exchange mechanism" - I am working on Deltastreams which I even presented at Brest, though unfortunately colliding with the Seaside tutorial. Deltas and Deltastreams are indeed focused on EXACTLY this problem (fork interchange), and it was born in 2007: http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2007-August/119471.ht... I and Igor are the ones working on it - and after Brest we have had very little time to move it forward. I still think it is a very important piece of the puzzle though. regards, Göran