On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 10:06 PM, Stéphane Ducasse < stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
On Jun 16, 2012, at 8:14 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
Stef,
I have had experts on it tell me exactly the opposite. Things like "always load specific versions" and "never load symbolic versions." They mean well (and have been helpful in the short term), but it is far from a generic solution. The "answer" will invariably be different "every time."
Citezen is much appreciated, but your answer to getting it to load was to load a specific numeric version.
did you read the configuration? Because if there is no symbolic version then load a specific one. Then you have to control what you want to load.
I think that symbolic versions are working quite well.
They are :)
Ditto Alien/FFI from others.
I am simply repeating what I have been told.
Bill
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On Jun 16, 2012, at 12:57 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
But if I'm building a new image *today*, I want it to do the right thing now (automatically for the current version), with the same incantation as worked months ago or months from now.
Bill when do you take the time to have a look at Metacello. Why people like me are spending days on writing 45 pages of documentation to hear you saying that.
This scenario is supported since months nearly since Barcelona 2010.
If we can't do that, the config browser is pretty much a dream vs. reality.
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Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote
My gripe is... that configs... work (very) differently over time
With the current evolution of Metacello, this should not be the case. Done right, what a config loads can be 100% static and repeatable. If you load a literal version (e.g. '1.4'), which loads literal versions of dependent projects (which they should unless there is a reason not to, e.g. a loose dependency like Seaside on OB), which load literal versions all the way down, it will do the same thing today, tomorrow, and ten years from now.
The only hill to climb now is getting the word out about Metacello conventions/best practices.
Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote
If pre-loading, how about FFI?
I think "easily loadable" is the correct state, not included by default.
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