Simple ~= Easy. Smalltalk is simple (simpler then most of other PLs), but it's not easy (to understand and master, especially after other PLs). -- Best regards, Dennis Schetinin 2014-06-17 11:59 GMT+04:00 kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com>:
personally I don't like this postcard , it looks too much like "snake oil marketing" to me.
It creates the illusion that Pharo is much simpler than other programming languages as a programming language while nothing can be further from the truth. The idea here is to prove to the viewer that Pharo is based on a very simple recipe and that is of course true. But if we have to be honest is should come with a disclaimer for the potential users that Pharo is no blue pill and there tons of things outside this postcard you need to learn if you want to create the simplest Pharo application. I will be frank , as a language I dont find Pharo any simpler than let's say python , which I am more familiar with. And the fact that there is this simple recipe gave me zero benefits to me so far. Its a cool trick that may come handy down the line if I want to shape the language more to my needs, but I dont see doing this to a day by day basis.
Now a "living coding postcard" stating the workflow of Pharo and demonstrating the power of the debugger is much more honest and frankly better marketing for Pharo. You show something to a person that will benefit his workflow on a day by day basis.
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk@me.com> wrote:
Now, who is creative enough to add âdynamic arrayâ (one with curly braces) and temporaries in a block to the original thing:
exampleWithNumber: x | y | true & false not & (nil isNil) ifFalse: [self halt]. y := self size + super size. #($a #a "a" 1 1.0) do: [ :each | Transcript show: (each class name); show: ' ']. ^x < y
Uko
On 16 Jun 2014, at 15:35, Oscar Nierstrasz <oscar.nierstrasz@gmail.com> wrote:
I got it from Stef, who always said it came originally from Ralph Johnson.
http://c2.com/cgi-bin/wiki?SmalltalkSyntaxInaPostcard
Googling around finds various copies of this, but no original source.
Oscar
On 16 Jun 2014, at 10:58 , Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk@me.com> wrote:
I guess itâs here: http://files.pharo.org/media/flyer-cheat-sheet.pdf
I think that it would be interesting to put the syntax on a postcard. It can work as a proof of concept, some addition cheat-sheet for newcomers and also as some king of souvenir.
Uko
On 16 Jun 2014, at 10:36, stepharo <stepharo@free.fr> wrote:
you have the flyer of Damien (no idea where it is) but no real postcard.
Stef
On 16/6/14 09:35, Yuriy Tymchuk wrote:
Hi guys,
we all are talking about the syntax fitting in a postcard, but was there any real postcard with Pharo syntax prototype? This would be really interesting.
Uko