Le 10/01/2014 10:41, kilon alios a écrit :
I agree this is an excellent way to educate people at worse they can become pyromaniacs.
And in a case I know, the fire burn was so high the kid lost two fingers for life and all memories of the incident :( Well, if this is the analogy we're working with, I'll keep that dialog (even if I find it quite annoying)... The implications of the reverse attitude has just freaked me off. Thierry
On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua@gmail.com <mailto:siguctua@gmail.com>> wrote:
On 9 January 2014 22:30, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven@stfx.eu <mailto:sven@stfx.eu>> wrote:
I don't think Igor meant punishment as a tool, but rather experience something negative for yourself.
right.. punishment as consequence of your own deeds, but not punishment as a tool, which you using against someone.
I am sure that if you think back at your own development, there were instances where you did not listen to adults warning you and only learned certain things the hard way.
why hard way? i think it is most easy way: you can explain for years to people why they have to be careful with fire.. instead of letting them to verify it and very fast and easy get to the same conclusion.
Anyway, we're getting way off topic ;-)
On 09 Jan 2014, at 22:25, Stephan Eggermont <stephan@stack.nl <mailto:stephan@stack.nl>> wrote:
> Igor, > > The way you describe the role of punishment in education is not in line with current research. Most learning happens trough copying the behavior of others, and punishment has a number of negative consequences on character development, making it a non-suitable instrument. You might want to take a look at the work done by Marshall Rosenberg on non-violent communication. > > Stephan
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