Hi, I think we are mixing the topics a bit. The #meta discussion is not specific to Spotter actions. The idea was to offer a uniform support of keybindings in Pharo, in general. Then Guille etal added #meta to have a predictable mapping. All #cmd places were changed to #meta, and since then we should not use explicitly #cmd anymore, except when we know we are on Mac. For a portable modifier, we should only use #meta. At this point, both Rubric and Spotter use #meta. #meta maps on: - Mac: Command - Win: Control - Linus: Control This means that #alt is now a portable modifier that will not conflict with #meta, so we can now think of using that one in combination with #meta. For text navigation, the situation is a bit complicated. On Win/Linux, Ctrl+Right/Left moves the cursor between words. On Mac, Cmd+Right/Left moves the cursor at the end/beginning of line. So, using #meta for text navigation between words is not entirely accurate. We should use #ctrl instead. This would anyway mean that it would be an option to use #alt for Spotter now. But, if we are at it, would anyone be interested in working on revisiting the overall keybindings in Pharo? Cheers, Doru
On Jun 16, 2016, at 10:22 AM, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess@gmail.com> wrote:
2016-06-07 16:12 GMT+02:00 Andrei Chis <chisvasileandrei@gmail.com>: We can, but I remember there were some discussions and it was decided to use meta everywhere.
Cheers, Andrei
If we don't change this, I'll use cmd+left cmd+right in rubric, but this is bad, because all other navigate/select+navigate shortcuts would use meta as shortcut modifier.
What are the arguments for using meta for dive-in/out shortcuts ?
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 3:49 PM, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess@gmail.com> wrote:
2016-06-07 15:08 GMT+02:00 Andrei Chis <chisvasileandrei@gmail.com>: During Pharo 5 most shortcuts from tools were changed to use "meta" instead of cmd.
Cheers, Andrei
Can we change this for spotter ? cmd instead of meta
ctrl left/right is often used for text components to move to next/previous word.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess@gmail.com> wrote:
2016-06-07 13:57 GMT+02:00 Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess@gmail.com>:
Am 07.06.2016 1:56 nachm. schrieb "Henrik Nergaard" <henrik.nergaard@uia.no>:
IIRC the shortcut is not changed, it still is meta+right(+shift). Only the tooltip was changed to display the system specific key instead of âcmdâ so for Windows/Linux this would be âctrlâ.
No, it changed
In #40624, for example, it was cmd (alt-key on windows ) right/shift right
Best regards,
Henrik
From: Pharo-dev [mailto:pharo-dev-bounces@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of Nicolai Hess Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 12:56 PM To: Pharo Development List <pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org> Subject: [Pharo-dev] GT-Spotter dive in shortcut
Why did the shortcut for dive-in element/category changed from
cmd+right
cmd+shift+right
to
ctrl+right ctrl+shift+right
I know there were some discussions about this and that the behavior changed some
time ago, but I don't know the rational behind this.
thanks
nicolai
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