Also just wondering what anyone thought of the concept of Maui in the context of this discussion! http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/3836 Rob 2009/6/20 Steve Wirts <stevewirts@gmail.com>
I did a talk(attached) at OOPSLA several years ago to explain the benefits of ValueModels to java programmers, it was way over their heads. It's unfortunate as today I've yet to see anything in java that approaches the productivity they provide.
2009/6/20 Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab@anest.ufl.edu>
Steve,
Interesting that you mention value models. I just ran into a use for a ValueHolder, and discovered that Dolphin's #value, #value: protocol was not present. In fact ValueHolder>>value answers the receiver! I added an override to my Dolphin compatibility package. I exepect to add AspectValueAdapter and perhaps some converters as need arises.
None of this takes away from Magritte; I share your interest in it and willingness to consider it as potentially powerful tool for GUI building.
Bill
------------------------------ *From:* pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto: pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] *On Behalf Of *Steve Wirts *Sent:* Friday, June 19, 2009 8:01 PM *To:* Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr *Subject:* Re: [Pharo-project] Making GUI'S
Value Models, TypeConverter library, SubCanvas support(super powerful idea here), etc... some really wonderful idioms long lost in OO guis. VisualWorks had some really nice frameworks that were discarded due to them being undervalued. I hope to eventually re-introduce some of these fun frameworks into pharo given my time constraints and interest from potential users.
see http://c2.com/ppr/vmodels.html
Magritte seems like it might be a superior alternative to VisualWorks ValueModels; I haven't explored it enough to really know yet. Pharo is the most exciting thing to come along for me in quite awhile!
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Stéphane Ducasse < stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
I don't know what I am waiting for -- except more time -- because I guess I should build such a thing. (Are there any Pharo/squeak coders available for part-time consulting over the next year? ...At student level pay I must add.)
I too want a GUI builder.
me too :) So may be we could have a kind of bounty system for pharo. Frankly we are rather full and we (the core) have not that much time for extensions but we would support any work in the direction of UIBuilder TestServer Package.... FileWrite-Rio kind of integration Better MC support (yes I should look at MC1.5) Better SUnit Better tools (for example like the newInspector)
Stef
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