There are no doubt a growing list of reasons, but the big one is usability. Squeak's (lack of) concept of input focus is a HUGE pain; its defaults of mouse buttons are weird. I could go on, but I prefer to use and (to the extent that I can) help to advance Pharo. ________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Levente Uzonyi [leves@elte.hu] Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 6:44 PM To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Morphic On Mon, 20 Sep 2010, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
Jumping in here, I used Squeak just a month or two ago to look at its serial port code, and something else IIRC. I much prefer Pharo.
And why? Levente
________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Levente Uzonyi [leves@elte.hu] Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 5:30 PM To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Morphic
On Mon, 20 Sep 2010, Hilaire Fernandes wrote:
Le 20/09/2010 17:50, Levente Uzonyi a écrit :
On Sat, 18 Sep 2010, Hilaire Fernandes wrote:
Really I don't understand CUIS long term objective, why this work is not done in Pharo? They share the same vision.
You could ask the same question with Pharo and Squeak instead of Cuis and Pharo, couldn't you?
No, I can't.
Pharo provides me a clear vision I can thrust: a Smalltalk environment to build third party applications (ie makes my developer life easier). Squeak does not provide me this thrust nor indication of that direction.
When was the last time you used Squeak?
You can object it is matter of point of view, I will object it is a matter of ressources you can allocate to write an application. Mine are limited: I start writing DrGeo under Squeak, then I continued with Pharo. I can really fell the difference: nice Widgets, cleaner system I can understand, ease to integrate changes/improvements upstream. All in all, I get the job done more nicely from my perspective.
So you're using Pharo because of Polymorph?
In the past, project got hudge resources (ie Sophie), this project failed to give back to the community in a proper way. Was it because
I don't really get this, which project are you talking about?
Levente
Squeak defunct development model? I think so. IMHO, Pharo is trying to fix that, and this is terribly important for a community.
Now, Squeak model of development is may be different, so it may not happen again, I don't know.
IMHO the reason is having total control and that's the same reason why Pharo was created.
This does not matter.
Hilaire
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