Pharo looks promising (and it is already) for web developing. But, there was no light in the desktop applications. However, a couple of different posts make me thing that perhaps I was wrong. 1) We know removing Morph and replace it with native OS rendering or delegating to an external library can be complicated to be supported in all OS and it will probably require a lot of work. Someone (I cannot find the mail) propose a little VM change that let the image to open MORE than 1 native OS windows. Right now, only one is open. Ok, they will be rendered using Morph, but there can be several :) 2) Someone (I don't remember who) created a w2k theme so that our morphs looks like windows applications (I really don't like it but final users do hahaha) 3) NullPointer said in the mailing list he is doing a GUI builder for Pharo. You can see a video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHbc1t83fEI So....if I take into considerations these 3 topics I will be able to use Pharo for normal desktop applications ? best, Mariano