On 11/27/10 3:33 AM, Igor Stasenko wrote:
2010/11/26 Janko Mivšek<janko.mivsek@eranova.si>:
On 26. 11. 2010 18:20, csrabak@bol.com.br wrote:
Em 24/11/2010 11:50, Jan van de Sandt< jvdsandt@gmail.com> escreveu:
A Smalltalk variant would use Smalltalk as the source language instead of Java, the other parts of GWT can be reused. GWT is open source (Apache 2.0 license). I think we have first to evaluate to what audience/market are thinking of targeting this effort, then estimate the effort, in order to see if its worth it. Specially we the web guys are very interested of such a beast, because we need to develop more in more on the client side and in JavaScript, which is a bit hard, because of our Smalltalk habits, you know :)
Even more, Smalltalk on the client (Clamato way) can also solve one of the main JavaScript problems: debugging on the client side. If we can have near the same debugger on the client as we have in our IDE's, well, this would be a huge step forward.
indeed. debugging JS is hard. Most of the times, all you can do is to put 'alert(...)' in interesting places, to see what's going wrong. But there are things, like http://www.mozilla.org/projects/venkman/ didn't tried it.
Igor, I recommend having a look at the build in developer tools in Safari or Google Chrome (they are the same). They give you a very powerful debugging and profiling environment and the option to inspect all Javascript objects on runtime. On the debugging side there is actually very little that you would miss from Pharo.
If the attempt is a reinterpretation a Smalltalk base development environment would make a difference in the ecosystem we must check if we aren't flared by our preference of languages versus operational pragmatics.
If the idea is to have such environment to the present (and sadly minute) community of Smalltalk developers, probably the effort would attend to a very small clientèle and the returns will be elusive and the project will end orphan. -- Janko Mivšek AIDA/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si