On 05 Apr 2013, at 11:20, Diego Lont <diego.lont@delware.nl> wrote:
I feel that we are confusing lots of things.
This is not a discussion about the browser or the IDE, it is about completion. And not just about which key does what but also about complex interactions in specific situations.
Pharo 2.0 is out, Nautilus is the default browser, a massive amount of work went into cleaning and getting a workable completion system, choices were made - you/we basically have to live with that.
There are options in Settings for some tuning, and we will continue to improve, absolutely. We have to discuss and iterate.
Please do not underestimate the amount of work done to get 2.0 where it is now.
Sven
Sven,
I agree that a lot of good work has been done to get 2.0 where it is now. I do not want to ignore that. And I think we all have to same goal: to make Pharo better. So when I think I have a point, I want an open discussion about this.
On the PharoConf I said some things to Stef, and he answered: discuss this on the mailing list. Now I try to do so on the mailinglist and I get responses like: "settings will not change" " We did a lot of work, so do not complain"
Please tell me, why do you think this is not worth discussing?
Regards, Diego
Diego, Read my mail, I said: "We have to discuss and iterate." It is just that 2.0 is released, it cannot change, 2.x will never have drastic changes. 3.0 is the next line of development. To stay on the subject: I have worked with/in 2.0 for many months, maybe almost a year. Completion went through lots of iterations, there were many discussions. It is reasonably good or at least acceptable now (at some points it was completely broken). Some people worked very hard on this and I respect that enormously (they also had to deal with everybody's opinion as well as complex code). I am very confident that we can tune this a bit more to make it 'perfect'. The main issue IMHO is not so much the actual key binding, but the way to get out of the menu if you don't want to pick a suggestion (though ESC does that). It might be that Smalltalk is special here, but I doubt it. Sven -- Sven Van Caekenberghe Proudly supporting Pharo http://pharo.org http://association.pharo.org http://consortium.pharo.org