On 9 January 2014 08:50, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess@web.de> wrote:
2014/1/9 Igor Stasenko <siguctua@gmail.com>
On 8 January 2014 22:04, dimitris chloupis <thekilon@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
I don't like an app that does not ask for my confirmation , because I tend to do a lot of stupid mistakes along the way and I want to be able to fix everyone of them even before they happen. Please don't remove that, that would be reason enough for me to stop using Pharo.
for stupid mistakes, there's (or should be , if missing) - undo.
Another recipe: just don't make mistakes :)
Undo also wont do, because I dont always realise my mistakes until much later on.
sorry.. but then perhaps you should find different occupation? :) computers (and software systems we writing) will never be smart enough to predict or prevent you from doing mistakes. putting 'are you really really sure?' popups everywhere doesn't helps but just serves as a distraction.. because at certain point, your reaction on these popups become completely mechanical and just cost you extra time and no cognitive load only a distraction.
at the end, it is just silly: the point is that i am always sure about things i do, when interacting with my computer. if i'm not, i simply don't (or i save and then proceed with caution).. and in any case, i don't need stupid UI asking me about things i already decided to do (yes i am sort of man, who disables file deletion warning, if it provided).
when you pushing gas pedal in your car, or brakes, are there also popups which freezes your feet and asks to press yes or no before proceed? because wrong decision could cost you much more - your own life.
And having to undo all my work to fix a stupid mistake is a nightmare.
The only thing that would make sense for removing confirmation dialogs is editable action history. Take a look at Photoshop. Some 3d apps also have something similar. Every action is recorded at a history ( a list) and there is a gui that allow you to remove individual actions without deleting or affecting other actions. Very cool stuff.
that what we did with Ben: there is navigation history, where you can find unsaved changes. but people prefer popping up red herrings instead.
On Wednesday, 8 January 2014, 11:44, Igor Stasenko <siguctua@gmail.com> wrote: i want to discard. discard this modal thingies altogether.. and we did that with Ben, but then people turned their nose against it and rolled back the change.
On 8 January 2014 17:02, Sean P. DeNigris <sean@clipperadams.com>wrote:
I still have these un-interact-able pop ups following me around endlessly when I have unaccepted edits in Nautilus. It seems intermittent. Not sure how exactly to reproduce⦠Anyone else?
b.t.w. the secret seems to be to bring up halos on the pop-up and clicking the (x) halo. Trying to click its buttons only makes it angry
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I don't think we have to discuss what would be the better alternative. People have different preferences and different workflows. Why don't we make a setting for this? Something like "Codepanes can discard edits", and let Nautilus and other codepanes behave like the Workspace (I remember a time when workspaces asked too before discarding edits)
About the editing history, most people said it is a good idea. The reason I reverted this back was not someone doesn't like it. It just didn't worked. As commented in the bug case: 1. not alll interactions created an editing history entry. 2. throwing away the history on window closing was at leas unexpected for some users. 3. the history that was used for both, navigation and editing, is limited to 15 entries
.. and instead of fixing the above things was thrown away.
We will never have good UI if we will use such strategy to develop it. Nicolai
-- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.