Reference, please :) I fully believe it. Bill ________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Michael Haupt [mhaupt@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 7:44 AM To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr; dimitris chloupis Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Smalltalk for small projects only? Dimitris, this is very interesting; I've always wanted to read that kind of study. Do you have a pointer? Thanks, Michael Am 29.01.2012 um 08:51 schrieb dimitris chloupis <thekilon@yahoo.co.uk<mailto:thekilon@yahoo.co.uk>>: Maybe not for smalltalk but for python there is a number of surveys that prove that by replacing java with python you can scale down developing time by 2-3x times. By "prove" I mean projects that have actually done that. Not quite a 10x but I think its impressive non the less and I think the numbers wont be very dissimilar for smalltalk ________________________________ From: Michael Haupt <mhaupt@gmail.com<mailto:mhaupt@gmail.com>> To: "Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr>" <Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr>> Sent: Saturday, 28 January 2012, 23:29 Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Smalltalk for small projects only? Janko, Am 28.01.2012 um 21:08 schrieb Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek@eranova.si<mailto:janko.mivsek@eranova.si>>:
I think this is a post that clearly illustrates the big problem with smalltalk. The very fact that is compared with Java and Java survives.
Yes, that 4-5 peole can do what 50 Java people are needed is both a blessing and a curse :)
I wanted to ask this earlier: is there actual evidence for this, or is it just boasting?
Blessing because of productivity, curse because we are not able to scale beyond one highly connected development group. We don't have project management practices and tools, while Java guys have because they need them from the start.
I'm not so sure the people at those Smalltalk firms building software for banks et al. have no project management. Boasting? ;-) Best, Michael