This is a good point! However, the issue with it is that in enterprises programmers are paid to produce code having or not fun :-( OTOH, the main advantage of an environment as Smalltalk, IMNHO the empowerment to the end user, is lost once the programming starts to be Taylorized with a "systems" or "IT" department in charge of this duties and end users having to interact via Requirement Engineers and so on... -- Cesar Rabak Em 07/12/2010 05:00, laurent laffont < laurent.laffont@gmail.com > escreveu: I agree on the feeling, I only think we all miss a very important tactical point here: in what realm is Smalltalk superior to other technologies? Â Fun :) Laurent The issue some cool and kicking creatures could have been done is not enough, we need also to be certain we can get newcomers and have them quickly up to speed in doing so. _That_ has lead other ('younger') languages to their present status. -- Cesar Rabak