On Feb 12, 2011, at 6:22 PM, Tobias Pape wrote:
Am 2011-02-12 um 09:54 schrieb Stéphane Ducasse:
tobias
if you want to think that I'm an asshole and I do not want to have a better UI, you are free to think that.
Please rest assured that this is _not_ the case.
ok good
I just was astonished that you denied the usability of the Gui builder with just few very general words.
No I just evaluate MY time and what I'm able to achieve
Yes so who is standing up and saying ok I will allocate one month to make sure that this is well integrated?
However, if you want it in Pharo, thats the way to go. Think of Seaside on any non-Pharo. It is just the same.
Yes so this is why I said about my time.
Yes. Now the question is do we want that in addition to - event, - announcement - changed
We are working ***HARD*** to remove event and system changenotifier. Design is not layering, it is about bringing the right infrastructure in place. So if signals are important/good then they should be not in competition to other but either integrated into or we should migrate the code to the other abstractions.
Probably. However, cirticising initially other goals for not being Pharoâs isnât fair, IMHO.
This is not what I did. I just evaluate: ok if I want that I need X, Z, K so my message was ok guys do not dream we cannot just include the builder that you and me would love to have. There is a lot of work to be done to arrive to that stage.
In the case of the UIBuilder of void,
Void? The nikname of the personn
He is called Marcel and posted elsewhere in the thread.
Ok this was nullPointer that I wanted to say. Not marcel because I know the first name of marcel.
Yes and this is why we do not want that. Even for polymorph the goal is to merge everything and get one set of excellent widgets based on an excellent core.
No Objection.
in pharo we use postcopy
So does Squeak.
Ok good to know one less point to check.
I doubt that there are _ assignments.
I do not know. Rob ask me how to load code without _
No, I mean, What about _creating_ a PharoCompat package that matches your style of preferences.
Ah this would be good.
Thats quite clear and I concur. The point is, you would have to do this with or without the builder.
yes except that I have to check the widgets and check that.
Oh, and for this and my previous emails: No offence meant.
No problem just a question: are the new widgets relying on signal? Because I would have to really study signal to imagine what we can do? Or are signal use to plug together widgets?
So Long, -Tobias