Hi guys As a general point of view, often the discussions in this mailing-list are comparing Pharo with projects where - people really produces open-source software and share it for real (by opposition as talking nicely close the fireplace with friends). - it often sounds like we should stop doing things just because people already did something else. - if I would really read these discussions I would drop everything and go do something else. So as a conclusion: - ask yourself what you did for Pharo recently (not just to get money for you) but for the community in terms of open-source software, documentation, bug fixes, blog entries.... - what will you do to change the situation by helping Pharo? Not just using it! Sorry to look harsh but you often kill my fun and energy with strange expectations. We have one and half full time engineer working for Pharo now. And we are pretty successful. Now imagine how pharo would look like if you would participate for real each at its own degree Stef