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Re: [Pharo-project] Pharogenesis anew

by Max Leske

Hey, wicked! Only took me 30 minutes. Thanks for the input. This is *way* better than what I had before. It also means that Pharogenesis is actually already usable for development :) Max On 20.03.2011, at 12:19, Lukas Renggli wrote: >> Lukas, I just remembered why I chose to 'break' the OB versions button. The >> collecting of method versions happens in OBMethodNode>>versions. When a node >> is selected in a method list, that node is sent the message #versions. It's >> nearly impossible (as far as I can tell) to not touch anything because I >> would have to replace the model class of the method nodes (OBMethodNode) >> with a custom class. There are many references to OBMethodNode all over the >> place that would probably break unless I replaced them too. >> So, as I see it my 'ugly' approach is really a compromise to not spending 20 >> hours replacing OBMethodNode. > > Yeah, create a new browser (probably a subclass of OBVersionBrowser) > with a different meta-model (override the method OBVersionBrowser > class>>defaultMetaNode) , that doesn't use the selector #versions to > retrieve the versions but your own method that you add as an extension > method to OBMethodNode. > > Lukas > >> Or did you have another idea? I'm not an OB guru... >> Cheers, >> Max >> >> On 19.03.2011, at 19:38, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: >> >> >> On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Max Leske <maxleske(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I don't have an account for the book. Who should I turn to for this? >> >> Me or any other of the admis. I have just created one for you and sent by >> private the data. >> >> Thanks >> >> Mariano >> >>> >>> Max >>> >>> On 19.03.2011, at 14:32, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: >>> >>> can you add your project in >>> >>> http://book.pharo-project.org/book/PharoTools/ >>> >>> ? >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Lukas Renggli <renggli(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'll defenitely try to come up with something to access github soon. It >>>>> will probably not use OB though because that's just too much of a hack. >>>>> Especially because it effectively disables the version browser for changes >>>>> files. >>>> >>>> You really don't need to hack OB: Why don't you just add a completely >>>> new command (the complete refactoring infrastructure was added that >>>> way and can be optionally loaded and unloaded) and let the Git history >>>> live aside of the traditional versioning functionality? >>>> >>>> Lukas >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Lukas Renggli >>>> www.lukas-renggli.ch >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > -- > Lukas Renggli > www.lukas-renggli.ch >

March 20, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3446 in pharo: VMMakerTool load config button doesn't work

by pharo＠googlecode.com

Updates: Status: Invalid Comment #2 on issue 3446 by marcus.d...(a)gmail.com: VMMakerTool load config button doesn't work http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3446 For Pharo, you should use the VMmaker / Cmake generator setup, not the graphical VMMaker. (see squeak-vm mailinglist for more infos for now)

March 20, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3804 in pharo: #cannotInterpret: fails to work with JIT Cog, but works with StackInterpreter

by pharo＠googlecode.com

Updates: Status: Closed Labels: Milestone-1.3 Comment #1 on issue 3804 by marcus.d...(a)gmail.com: #cannotInterpret: fails to work with JIT Cog, but works with StackInterpreter http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3804 Test is green with the latest build of cog from Hudson.

March 20, 2011

[Pharo-project] [UPD] NativeBoost runs on new Cog VMs

by Igor Stasenko

Hello, i just wanna to inform you that i adopted NativeBoost plugin for building with latest Cog vms. To build VM, you should have an image with VMMaker + CMakeVMMaker packages installed. Then load NBIntaller package and do: NBInstaller installCogPlugin There are new cmake configurations i added to build VMs with NB plugin support. So, simply do as usual: <NB config name> generateWithSources and then cmake. / make P.S. Im happy knowing that the OpenGL fonts rendering demo, which i made almost a year ago works out of the box on Windoze :) -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

March 20, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharogenesis anew

by Lukas Renggli

> Lukas, I just remembered why I chose to 'break' the OB versions button. The > collecting of method versions happens in OBMethodNode>>versions. When a node > is selected in a method list, that node is sent the message #versions. It's > nearly impossible (as far as I can tell) to not touch anything because I > would have to replace the model class of the method nodes (OBMethodNode) > with a custom class. There are many references to OBMethodNode all over the > place that would probably break unless I replaced them too. > So, as I see it my 'ugly' approach is really a compromise to not spending 20 > hours replacing OBMethodNode. Yeah, create a new browser (probably a subclass of OBVersionBrowser) with a different meta-model (override the method OBVersionBrowser class>>defaultMetaNode) , that doesn't use the selector #versions to retrieve the versions but your own method that you add as an extension method to OBMethodNode. Lukas > Or did you have another idea? I'm not an OB guru... > Cheers, > Max > > On 19.03.2011, at 19:38, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Max Leske <maxleske(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I don't have an account for the book. Who should I turn to for this? > > Me or any other of the admis. I have just created one for you and sent by > private the data. > > Thanks > > Mariano > >> >> Max >> >> On 19.03.2011, at 14:32, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: >> >> can you add your project in >> >> http://book.pharo-project.org/book/PharoTools/ >> >> ? >> >> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Lukas Renggli <renggli(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> > I'll defenitely try to come up with something to access github soon. It >>> > will probably not use OB though because that's just too much of a hack. >>> > Especially because it effectively disables the version browser for changes >>> > files. >>> >>> You really don't need to hack OB: Why don't you just add a completely >>> new command (the complete refactoring infrastructure was added that >>> way and can be optionally loaded and unloaded) and let the Git history >>> live aside of the traditional versioning functionality? >>> >>> Lukas >>> >>> -- >>> Lukas Renggli >>> www.lukas-renggli.ch >>> >> >> > > > -- Lukas Renggli www.lukas-renggli.ch

March 20, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharogenesis anew

by Max Leske

Thanks Mariano. Lukas, I just remembered why I chose to 'break' the OB versions button. The collecting of method versions happens in OBMethodNode>>versions. When a node is selected in a method list, that node is sent the message #versions. It's nearly impossible (as far as I can tell) to not touch anything because I would have to replace the model class of the method nodes (OBMethodNode) with a custom class. There are many references to OBMethodNode all over the place that would probably break unless I replaced them too. So, as I see it my 'ugly' approach is really a compromise to not spending 20 hours replacing OBMethodNode. Or did you have another idea? I'm not an OB guru... Cheers, Max On 19.03.2011, at 19:38, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Max Leske <maxleske(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I don't have an account for the book. Who should I turn to for this? > > > Me or any other of the admis. I have just created one for you and sent by private the data. > > Thanks > > Mariano > > Max > > > On 19.03.2011, at 14:32, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > >> can you add your project in >> >> http://book.pharo-project.org/book/PharoTools/ >> >> ? >> >> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Lukas Renggli <renggli(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > I'll defenitely try to come up with something to access github soon. It will probably not use OB though because that's just too much of a hack. Especially because it effectively disables the version browser for changes files. >> >> You really don't need to hack OB: Why don't you just add a completely >> new command (the complete refactoring infrastructure was added that >> way and can be optionally loaded and unloaded) and let the Git history >> live aside of the traditional versioning functionality? >> >> Lukas >> >> -- >> Lukas Renggli >> www.lukas-renggli.ch >> >> > >

March 20, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN 1.2.1a] towards 1.2.1

by Marcus Denker

>> >> > Probably you should rename the job to 1.2.1a. I tested it on my hudson server you can rename a job without breaking any dependencies to other jobs. I tested upstream trigger, copy artifacts. I don't know other dependencies. > But then the external links break. People do link to https://pharo-ic.lille.inria.fr/hudson/job/Pharo%20Core%201.2/lastSuccessfu… I think for names we should just care about Major versions. -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.

March 20, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3787 in pharo: Project current setChangeSet: aChangeSet.

by pharo＠googlecode.com

Updates: Status: closed Comment #2 on issue 3787 by stephane...(a)gmail.com: Project current setChangeSet: aChangeSet. http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3787 in 13098

March 20, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] need your attention: Package

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Ok!!!! I love these examples. I thought that by mapping you meant mapping submatching categories > > I do not want to select the RPackage that maps to an MCPackage. This should be done transparently by the tool: 1 Category maps on 1 RPackage and this maps on a potential MCPackage. > > Let's take an example. You load the original MCPackage Foo: > > Foo > Foo > Foo-Bar > > We get 2 RPackages: Foo and Foo-Bar. > We add a new RPackage Foo-Zoo. > We open the NewMCInterface and we get three MCPackages: > Foo > Foo-Bar > Foo-Zoo > > The Foo-Zoo MCPackage is offered without any explicit creation. Like this you take away the extra step and you control the mapping in the way you want. > > Cheers, > Doru > > > On 20 Mar 2011, at 10:04, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> Thanks doru. >> I will digest that. I have the impression that I understand your approach but would not it be error prone to select the Rpackages you want to map to MCPackage? >> >> Stef >> >>>>> Hi Stef, >>>>> >>>>> Thanks a lot for all this effort. >>>>> >>>>> I will reiterate again the original idea, which I still believe would work best. >>>>> >>>>> RPackage is meant to become the organization entity in the image. MCPackage will still be needed for versioning. Furthermore, for a while, categories will still remain in the system for a while as an implementation detail. RPackages mirror each category. >>>>> >>>>> The first step would be to keep loading from Monticello exactly like it is now: it will create Categories, and this will mirror in RPackages. >>>> >>>> this sentence is not clear doru. >>>> Do you mean that a RPackage should contain classes that are contained in matching PackageInfo package? >>>> I mean >>>> RFoo >>>> contains RFoo and RFoo-zork categories classes? >>> >>> No. I meant we have a 1-1 mapping to categories. So, you will get multiple RPackages in the system: RFoo, RFoo-zork ... >>> >>>>> The next step is to provide a tool that provides only a 1-1 mapping between MC and RPackages that we can use for publishing. >>>> >>>> The problem is not publishing the problem is assigning classes to packages. >>> >>> I think that if we split loading and publishing logic as a transition phase it would solve the problem, and I actually believe that you are talking about a similar thing (see below). >>> >>>>> In this way, we would be able to: >>>>> - load existing MC without problems >>>>> - publish new MCPackages that will be compatible with other dialects >>>> >>>> let us see >>>> imagine the following scenaro >>>> >>>> PI-Foo contains >>>> Foo >>>> Foo-Zork >>>> >>>> => >>>> We get >>>> RFoo >>>> and RFoo-Zork >>>> >>>> we can save and people can load >>>> now >>>> >>>> I add a category Foo-Two >>>> in pharo I get an extra package >>>> we should modify metacelloConfig >>>> ok people can load it too >>>> >>>> in other system it will be in Foo >>>> ok we can load it >>>> >>>> >>>> Now if we should preserve the current loading semantics **package creation** >>>> >>>> when PI-Foo contains >>>> Foo >>>> Foo-Zork >>>> >>>> if we should create only one RFoo containing all the FooCat >>>> then we arrive to the point where this is not clear that >>>> when I add a new cat it will not be in. >>> >>> The solution I proposed was a new publishing interface for MC that works with the 1-1 mapping between RPackage and PackageInfo. Like this, for saving we would be force to save the new package. >>> >>> So, in your case, when you would open the NewMC, you would see in the list: >>> >>> Foo >>> Foo-Zork >>> Foo-Cat* >>> >>> The +Package button would disappear altogether. You would be provided with the possible things to commit, and then you would not have to think about the mapping at all. All you have to do is select each of the RPackages that you want to commit, and if there does not exist a correspondent Monticello package for it, you would be asked to provide the repo and then the creation would happen transparently. >>> >>>> So we could always load and create a RPackage for each Category. This would be simpler. >>> >>> In your solution, you would again split the mapping logic of load from that of publishing but you would change the loading mapping such that when you load you create only one category per PI. Perhaps that is indeed simpler, but you would lose the extra info of categories. >>> >>> >>> Were my explanations clearer now? >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Doru >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>>> Indeed, Metacello configurations will need modifications, but we have a smooth path to it. The Metacello configurations are still typically used only for loading and that will still continue to work just like they do now. With the Metacello Browser things will change, but then again we can change that tool, too. >>>>> >>>>> The only problem is how to define class extensions. I believe the * magic mapping is in MC. That will create problems, but for a while, I think we can still rely on this mapping. >>>> >>>> yes >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Doru >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 19 Mar 2011, at 22:20, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 19, 2011, at 7:17 PM, Guillermo Polito wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> BTW, for smooth transition, why not just replace usages of PackageInfo by RPackage keeping everything working as today? And after that, we can improve the way we use it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In two words, why not replace only infrastructure instead of infrastructure and behavior at the same time? Doing both together is kind of complex and easy to make mistakes... >>>>>> >>>>>> yes this is what cyrille started to do. On top of RPackage so may be cleaning that is the way to go. >>>>>> but the matching semantics is not good. >>>>>> >>>>>>> But maybe it's easier (or nicer) to replace everything together... :P >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Guille >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Dale Henrichs <dhenrich(a)vmware.com> wrote: >>>>>>> Stef, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would say that trying to diverge from category-based packaging for MC1 would pretty much be a disaster. the big problem is not what happens within Pharo (which is a tough enough problem to solve), but what happens to other folks (Squeak or GemStone or even VW in this case) trying to use mcz files created in Pharo that no longer align with the class and method categories? It will not be pretty. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On the other hand, MC2 has been designed from the beginning to allow for alternate package definition schemes ... category-based packaging has always been a hack.... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Perhaps this is time to start a push towards MC2 and perhaps RPackage-based packaging could become part of MC2 or at least one of the packaging schemes ... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For transition, MC1 would continue to use category-based packages and those projects that wanted to preserve MC1 compatibility would simply continue to name the categories to make MC1 happy and use RPackage for MC2 packages with a different rule set ... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> One of the problems with MC2 has been the lack of a compelling reason to make the transition to a new system ... RPackage and the associated tools could be the compelling reason to move to MC2... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dale >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mar 18, 2011, at 1:56 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi guys >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> we need to think about package: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> right now we have a new implementation that is fast, robust and supports well a new generation of tools (glamour, nautilus...). >>>>>>>> We are capturing all system events and we would be more or less ready to remove systemNotifier and use Announcement >>>>>>>> instead. >>>>>>>> RPackage can live also on the side of PackageInfo for a while but it would be better to have the shortest possible period of co-existence. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Now one of the problem I see is that we may not have a smooth transition because: >>>>>>>> - Rpackage does not rely on category tagging matching. >>>>>>>> - It is simpler to have a mapping from current categories to packages >>>>>>>> - Now it means that we could load a package in the system and it would be turned into several RPackages >>>>>>>> so this means that configuration would have to be adapted. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - marcus was suggesting me to create a package with the same contents as the one of loaded by MC. >>>>>>>> and to have tags to only represent categories. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Now my time is short so I will >>>>>>>> - probably not implement tags >>>>>>>> - check again the implementation of RPackage and in particular the necessary compatibility layer, because I saw some strange >>>>>>>> code. >>>>>>>> - check the MC dependency on method category conventions, because some logic is not defined in the right place >>>>>>>> like overrides in the MC tools and not in the PackageInfo >>>>>>>> - check how a package gets created when loaded: the key question is that there is a problem to rely on categories to >>>>>>>> associate classes to packages because we can end up with overlapping (normally the IDE captures the category renames >>>>>>>> and change the packages accordingly). >>>>>>>> - we should not rely on most-specific-category kind of pattern matching. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So if you have suggestion please talk now. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Stef >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>>> >>>>> "When people care, great things can happen." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> www.tudorgirba.com >>> >>> "Every now and then stop and ask yourself if the war you're fighting is the right one." >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every successful trip needs a suitable vehicle." > > > > >

March 20, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] need your attention: Package

by Tudor Girba

Hi Stef, I do not want to select the RPackage that maps to an MCPackage. This should be done transparently by the tool: 1 Category maps on 1 RPackage and this maps on a potential MCPackage. Let's take an example. You load the original MCPackage Foo: Foo Foo Foo-Bar We get 2 RPackages: Foo and Foo-Bar. We add a new RPackage Foo-Zoo. We open the NewMCInterface and we get three MCPackages: Foo Foo-Bar Foo-Zoo The Foo-Zoo MCPackage is offered without any explicit creation. Like this you take away the extra step and you control the mapping in the way you want. Cheers, Doru On 20 Mar 2011, at 10:04, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > Thanks doru. > I will digest that. I have the impression that I understand your approach but would not it be error prone to select the Rpackages you want to map to MCPackage? > > Stef > >>>> Hi Stef, >>>> >>>> Thanks a lot for all this effort. >>>> >>>> I will reiterate again the original idea, which I still believe would work best. >>>> >>>> RPackage is meant to become the organization entity in the image. MCPackage will still be needed for versioning. Furthermore, for a while, categories will still remain in the system for a while as an implementation detail. RPackages mirror each category. >>>> >>>> The first step would be to keep loading from Monticello exactly like it is now: it will create Categories, and this will mirror in RPackages. >>> >>> this sentence is not clear doru. >>> Do you mean that a RPackage should contain classes that are contained in matching PackageInfo package? >>> I mean >>> RFoo >>> contains RFoo and RFoo-zork categories classes? >> >> No. I meant we have a 1-1 mapping to categories. So, you will get multiple RPackages in the system: RFoo, RFoo-zork ... >> >>>> The next step is to provide a tool that provides only a 1-1 mapping between MC and RPackages that we can use for publishing. >>> >>> The problem is not publishing the problem is assigning classes to packages. >> >> I think that if we split loading and publishing logic as a transition phase it would solve the problem, and I actually believe that you are talking about a similar thing (see below). >> >>>> In this way, we would be able to: >>>> - load existing MC without problems >>>> - publish new MCPackages that will be compatible with other dialects >>> >>> let us see >>> imagine the following scenaro >>> >>> PI-Foo contains >>> Foo >>> Foo-Zork >>> >>> => >>> We get >>> RFoo >>> and RFoo-Zork >>> >>> we can save and people can load >>> now >>> >>> I add a category Foo-Two >>> in pharo I get an extra package >>> we should modify metacelloConfig >>> ok people can load it too >>> >>> in other system it will be in Foo >>> ok we can load it >>> >>> >>> Now if we should preserve the current loading semantics **package creation** >>> >>> when PI-Foo contains >>> Foo >>> Foo-Zork >>> >>> if we should create only one RFoo containing all the FooCat >>> then we arrive to the point where this is not clear that >>> when I add a new cat it will not be in. >> >> The solution I proposed was a new publishing interface for MC that works with the 1-1 mapping between RPackage and PackageInfo. Like this, for saving we would be force to save the new package. >> >> So, in your case, when you would open the NewMC, you would see in the list: >> >> Foo >> Foo-Zork >> Foo-Cat* >> >> The +Package button would disappear altogether. You would be provided with the possible things to commit, and then you would not have to think about the mapping at all. All you have to do is select each of the RPackages that you want to commit, and if there does not exist a correspondent Monticello package for it, you would be asked to provide the repo and then the creation would happen transparently. >> >>> So we could always load and create a RPackage for each Category. This would be simpler. >> >> In your solution, you would again split the mapping logic of load from that of publishing but you would change the loading mapping such that when you load you create only one category per PI. Perhaps that is indeed simpler, but you would lose the extra info of categories. >> >> >> Were my explanations clearer now? >> >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >> >>> >>>> Indeed, Metacello configurations will need modifications, but we have a smooth path to it. The Metacello configurations are still typically used only for loading and that will still continue to work just like they do now. With the Metacello Browser things will change, but then again we can change that tool, too. >>>> >>>> The only problem is how to define class extensions. I believe the * magic mapping is in MC. That will create problems, but for a while, I think we can still rely on this mapping. >>> >>> yes >>> >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Doru >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 19 Mar 2011, at 22:20, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 19, 2011, at 7:17 PM, Guillermo Polito wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> BTW, for smooth transition, why not just replace usages of PackageInfo by RPackage keeping everything working as today? And after that, we can improve the way we use it. >>>>>> >>>>>> In two words, why not replace only infrastructure instead of infrastructure and behavior at the same time? Doing both together is kind of complex and easy to make mistakes... >>>>> >>>>> yes this is what cyrille started to do. On top of RPackage so may be cleaning that is the way to go. >>>>> but the matching semantics is not good. >>>>> >>>>>> But maybe it's easier (or nicer) to replace everything together... :P >>>>>> >>>>>> Guille >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Dale Henrichs <dhenrich(a)vmware.com> wrote: >>>>>> Stef, >>>>>> >>>>>> I would say that trying to diverge from category-based packaging for MC1 would pretty much be a disaster. the big problem is not what happens within Pharo (which is a tough enough problem to solve), but what happens to other folks (Squeak or GemStone or even VW in this case) trying to use mcz files created in Pharo that no longer align with the class and method categories? It will not be pretty. >>>>>> >>>>>> On the other hand, MC2 has been designed from the beginning to allow for alternate package definition schemes ... category-based packaging has always been a hack.... >>>>>> >>>>>> Perhaps this is time to start a push towards MC2 and perhaps RPackage-based packaging could become part of MC2 or at least one of the packaging schemes ... >>>>>> >>>>>> For transition, MC1 would continue to use category-based packages and those projects that wanted to preserve MC1 compatibility would simply continue to name the categories to make MC1 happy and use RPackage for MC2 packages with a different rule set ... >>>>>> >>>>>> One of the problems with MC2 has been the lack of a compelling reason to make the transition to a new system ... RPackage and the associated tools could be the compelling reason to move to MC2... >>>>>> >>>>>> Dale >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 18, 2011, at 1:56 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi guys >>>>>>> >>>>>>> we need to think about package: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> right now we have a new implementation that is fast, robust and supports well a new generation of tools (glamour, nautilus...). >>>>>>> We are capturing all system events and we would be more or less ready to remove systemNotifier and use Announcement >>>>>>> instead. >>>>>>> RPackage can live also on the side of PackageInfo for a while but it would be better to have the shortest possible period of co-existence. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now one of the problem I see is that we may not have a smooth transition because: >>>>>>> - Rpackage does not rely on category tagging matching. >>>>>>> - It is simpler to have a mapping from current categories to packages >>>>>>> - Now it means that we could load a package in the system and it would be turned into several RPackages >>>>>>> so this means that configuration would have to be adapted. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - marcus was suggesting me to create a package with the same contents as the one of loaded by MC. >>>>>>> and to have tags to only represent categories. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now my time is short so I will >>>>>>> - probably not implement tags >>>>>>> - check again the implementation of RPackage and in particular the necessary compatibility layer, because I saw some strange >>>>>>> code. >>>>>>> - check the MC dependency on method category conventions, because some logic is not defined in the right place >>>>>>> like overrides in the MC tools and not in the PackageInfo >>>>>>> - check how a package gets created when loaded: the key question is that there is a problem to rely on categories to >>>>>>> associate classes to packages because we can end up with overlapping (normally the IDE captures the category renames >>>>>>> and change the packages accordingly). >>>>>>> - we should not rely on most-specific-category kind of pattern matching. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So if you have suggestion please talk now. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Stef >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>> >>>> "When people care, great things can happen." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "Every now and then stop and ask yourself if the war you're fighting is the right one." >> >> >> >> > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every successful trip needs a suitable vehicle."

March 20, 2011