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Re: [Pharo-project] Funky BalloonMorph

by Nicolas Cellier

http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2704 in Pharo 1.3 2011/5/14 Hilaire Fernandes <hilaire.fernandes(a)gmail.com>: > Not yet > > Hilaire > > Le 14/05/2011 15:56, StÃ©phane Ducasse a Ã©crit : >> did you check if the squeak version has the same behavior? >> >> Stef >> >> On May 14, 2011, at 3:49 PM, Hilaire Fernandes wrote: >> >>> Le 14/05/2011 15:29, Hilaire Fernandes a Ã©crit : >>>> * LAYOUT, the problem comes from the method >>>> String>>withNoLineLongerThan: doing very badly its job. >>> >>> Example of unexpected behavior: >>> >>> 'un exemple de texte pour ici qui devrait etre facile a mettre en oeuvre >>> dans ce petit texte' withNoLineLongerThan: 40 >>> >>> -> >>> 'un exemple de texte pour ici qui devrait >>> etre facile a mettre en oeuvre dans ce >>> petit >>> texte' >>> >>> >> >> >> > > >

May 14, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Funky BalloonMorph

by Nicolas Cellier

Andreas fixed that not so long ago, and I thought I had posted a fix for Pharo too Nicolas 2011/5/14 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: > did you check if the squeak version has the same behavior? > > Stef > > On May 14, 2011, at 3:49 PM, Hilaire Fernandes wrote: > >> Le 14/05/2011 15:29, Hilaire Fernandes a Ã©crit : >>> * LAYOUT, the problem comes from the method >>> String>>withNoLineLongerThan: doing very badly its job. >> >> Example of unexpected behavior: >> >> 'un exemple de texte pour ici qui devrait etre facile a mettre en oeuvre >> dans ce petit texte' withNoLineLongerThan: 40 >> >> -> >> 'un exemple de texte pour ici qui devrait >> etre facile a mettre en oeuvre dans ce >> petit >> texte' >> >> > > >

May 14, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Funky BalloonMorph

by Hilaire Fernandes

Not yet Hilaire Le 14/05/2011 15:56, StÃ©phane Ducasse a Ã©crit : > did you check if the squeak version has the same behavior? > > Stef > > On May 14, 2011, at 3:49 PM, Hilaire Fernandes wrote: > >> Le 14/05/2011 15:29, Hilaire Fernandes a Ã©crit : >>> * LAYOUT, the problem comes from the method >>> String>>withNoLineLongerThan: doing very badly its job. >> >> Example of unexpected behavior: >> >> 'un exemple de texte pour ici qui devrait etre facile a mettre en oeuvre >> dans ce petit texte' withNoLineLongerThan: 40 >> >> -> >> 'un exemple de texte pour ici qui devrait >> etre facile a mettre en oeuvre dans ce >> petit >> texte' >> >> > > >

May 14, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] PBE in HTML [was: Popularity of Smalltalk in Software Industry]

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

now available online at: http://pharo.gforge.inria.fr/PBE1/PBE1.html Stef

May 14, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] PBE in HTML [was: Popularity of Smalltalk in Software Industry]

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 3:38 PM, laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Here's a first shot of PBE1 in html > http://lolgzs.free.fr/pharo/PBE1_html.zip. > > Extract and open PBE1.html. > > Cool. Thanks! > I had to fix manually several links and pictures. At least navigation works > even if not nice. CSS needs improvement but I suck at design / visual :) > > Like every good programmer :) I think this is cool Laurent. Even if the design is a little ugly, I think we can make it available: 1) Host it in http://pharobyexample.org/ and put a link to it 2) Put a link to it from pharo website. Then, we can improve it. And updating it will just be a matter of unzipping a new zip. Who should be contact to do 1) and 2) ? thanks > Laurent Laffont - @lolgzs <http://twitter.com/#%21/lolgzs> > > Pharo Smalltalk Screencasts: http://www.pharocasts.com/ > Blog: http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ > Developer group: http://cara74.seasidehosting.st > > > > On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 2:18 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < > stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> I could not generate all the html because apparently there is a problem. >> The table of contents was broken. >> >> Stef >> On May 6, 2011, at 2:05 PM, laurent laffont wrote: >> >> > On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 11:56 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < >> stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> > Ok if some good souls want to give a try to generate html. >> > >> > >> > On OSX with MacTex-2010 installed, I've tried >> > >> > git clone --depth 1 >> https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/PharoByExample-english.git >> > cd PharoByExample-english/ >> > htlatex PBE1.tex "html,2" >> > >> > Then open PBE1.html , one page per chapter. >> > >> > See http://www.tug.org/applications/tex4ht/mn-commands.html >> > >> > Laurent. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Stef >> > >> > >> > >> > > Probably we should find a way to generate HTML from PDF or Latex. >> > > Any ideas? >> > > >> > > I've used latex2html several years ago. >> > > >> > > +1 for html >> > > >> > > Laurent. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>>> Now for the documentation when did you send an help documentation >> for any part of the system? >> > > >>>> Or a bug fix? >> > > >>>> I find quite funny that people always talk but few are doing. We >> welcome comments/examples help. >> > > >>> No need to get into a cat-fight here :) >> > > >> >> > > >> No this is not my point. But what do people really do to help? >> > > >> >> > > >>> I do agree with Stefan, as well as with you that we could help; >> but I'm unaware of a good documentation effort outside of the image to start >> with. Camillo's website project might be the best effort I've seen until >> now; but then I didn't really look either. Maybe I missed some great >> website? >> > > >> >> > > >> If this is just to spit out class comment on html I do not call >> that a documentation. >> > > >> Now we can take the book contents and generate html >> > > >> We have 350 pages in the first book and the same in the second one. >> > > >> People are free to join and write one or two chapters. >> > > > >> > > > StÃ©phane, >> > > > >> > > > Of course you are right: wining/complaining doesn't help, only >> action does. We need more people like Laurent focusing on documentation. >> > > > >> > > > I for one think that the well written, high quality books that exist >> (PBE, Seaside Book) are *very valuable*, much better than confusing wiki >> site (although these have their place as well). >> > > > >> > > > But the other point is: in most other popular languages, what >> current, young developers do, when they get an error that they don't >> understand is copy/paste the literal text in Google and in a surprisingly >> large number of cases you find some real answers in the first page. >> > > > >> > > > This is also related to popularity of course. >> > > > >> > > > Sven >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

May 14, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Funky BalloonMorph

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

did you check if the squeak version has the same behavior? Stef On May 14, 2011, at 3:49 PM, Hilaire Fernandes wrote: > Le 14/05/2011 15:29, Hilaire Fernandes a Ã©crit : >> * LAYOUT, the problem comes from the method >> String>>withNoLineLongerThan: doing very badly its job. > > Example of unexpected behavior: > > 'un exemple de texte pour ici qui devrait etre facile a mettre en oeuvre > dans ce petit texte' withNoLineLongerThan: 40 > > -> > 'un exemple de texte pour ici qui devrait > etre facile a mettre en oeuvre dans ce > petit > texte' > >

May 14, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] PBE in HTML [was: Popularity of Smalltalk in Software Industry]

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Thanks a lot for your effort. It looks good to me. May be we could put it on the gforge. Stef > Here's a first shot of PBE1 in html http://lolgzs.free.fr/pharo/PBE1_html.zip. > > Extract and open PBE1.html. > > I had to fix manually several links and pictures. At least navigation works even if not nice. CSS needs improvement but I suck at design / visual :) > > Laurent Laffont - @lolgzs > > Pharo Smalltalk Screencasts: http://www.pharocasts.com/ > Blog: http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ > Developer group: http://cara74.seasidehosting.st > > > > On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 2:18 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > I could not generate all the html because apparently there is a problem. > The table of contents was broken. > > Stef > On May 6, 2011, at 2:05 PM, laurent laffont wrote: > > > On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 11:56 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > Ok if some good souls want to give a try to generate html. > > > > > > On OSX with MacTex-2010 installed, I've tried > > > > git clone --depth 1 https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/PharoByExample-english.git > > cd PharoByExample-english/ > > htlatex PBE1.tex "html,2" > > > > Then open PBE1.html , one page per chapter. > > > > See http://www.tug.org/applications/tex4ht/mn-commands.html > > > > Laurent. > > > > > > > > > > Stef > > > > > > > > > Probably we should find a way to generate HTML from PDF or Latex. > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > I've used latex2html several years ago. > > > > > > +1 for html > > > > > > Laurent. > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Now for the documentation when did you send an help documentation for any part of the system? > > > >>>> Or a bug fix? > > > >>>> I find quite funny that people always talk but few are doing. We welcome comments/examples help. > > > >>> No need to get into a cat-fight here :) > > > >> > > > >> No this is not my point. But what do people really do to help? > > > >> > > > >>> I do agree with Stefan, as well as with you that we could help; but I'm unaware of a good documentation effort outside of the image to start with. Camillo's website project might be the best effort I've seen until now; but then I didn't really look either. Maybe I missed some great website? > > > >> > > > >> If this is just to spit out class comment on html I do not call that a documentation. > > > >> Now we can take the book contents and generate html > > > >> We have 350 pages in the first book and the same in the second one. > > > >> People are free to join and write one or two chapters. > > > > > > > > StÃ©phane, > > > > > > > > Of course you are right: wining/complaining doesn't help, only action does. We need more people like Laurent focusing on documentation. > > > > > > > > I for one think that the well written, high quality books that exist (PBE, Seaside Book) are *very valuable*, much better than confusing wiki site (although these have their place as well). > > > > > > > > But the other point is: in most other popular languages, what current, young developers do, when they get an error that they don't understand is copy/paste the literal text in Google and in a surprisingly large number of cases you find some real answers in the first page. > > > > > > > > This is also related to popularity of course. > > > > > > > > Sven > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

May 14, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Funky BalloonMorph

by Hilaire Fernandes

Le 14/05/2011 15:29, Hilaire Fernandes a Ã©crit : > * LAYOUT, the problem comes from the method > String>>withNoLineLongerThan: doing very badly its job. Example of unexpected behavior: 'un exemple de texte pour ici qui devrait etre facile a mettre en oeuvre dans ce petit texte' withNoLineLongerThan: 40 -> 'un exemple de texte pour ici qui devrait etre facile a mettre en oeuvre dans ce petit texte'

May 14, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] PBE in HTML [was: Popularity of Smalltalk in Software Industry]

by laurent laffont

Here's a first shot of PBE1 in html http://lolgzs.free.fr/pharo/PBE1_html.zip. Extract and open PBE1.html. I had to fix manually several links and pictures. At least navigation works even if not nice. CSS needs improvement but I suck at design / visual :) Laurent Laffont - @lolgzs <http://twitter.com/#!/lolgzs> Pharo Smalltalk Screencasts: http://www.pharocasts.com/ Blog: http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ Developer group: http://cara74.seasidehosting.st On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 2:18 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>wrote: > I could not generate all the html because apparently there is a problem. > The table of contents was broken. > > Stef > On May 6, 2011, at 2:05 PM, laurent laffont wrote: > > > On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 11:56 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < > stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > Ok if some good souls want to give a try to generate html. > > > > > > On OSX with MacTex-2010 installed, I've tried > > > > git clone --depth 1 > https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/PharoByExample-english.git > > cd PharoByExample-english/ > > htlatex PBE1.tex "html,2" > > > > Then open PBE1.html , one page per chapter. > > > > See http://www.tug.org/applications/tex4ht/mn-commands.html > > > > Laurent. > > > > > > > > > > Stef > > > > > > > > > Probably we should find a way to generate HTML from PDF or Latex. > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > I've used latex2html several years ago. > > > > > > +1 for html > > > > > > Laurent. > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Now for the documentation when did you send an help documentation > for any part of the system? > > > >>>> Or a bug fix? > > > >>>> I find quite funny that people always talk but few are doing. We > welcome comments/examples help. > > > >>> No need to get into a cat-fight here :) > > > >> > > > >> No this is not my point. But what do people really do to help? > > > >> > > > >>> I do agree with Stefan, as well as with you that we could help; but > I'm unaware of a good documentation effort outside of the image to start > with. Camillo's website project might be the best effort I've seen until > now; but then I didn't really look either. Maybe I missed some great > website? > > > >> > > > >> If this is just to spit out class comment on html I do not call that > a documentation. > > > >> Now we can take the book contents and generate html > > > >> We have 350 pages in the first book and the same in the second one. > > > >> People are free to join and write one or two chapters. > > > > > > > > StÃ©phane, > > > > > > > > Of course you are right: wining/complaining doesn't help, only action > does. We need more people like Laurent focusing on documentation. > > > > > > > > I for one think that the well written, high quality books that exist > (PBE, Seaside Book) are *very valuable*, much better than confusing wiki > site (although these have their place as well). > > > > > > > > But the other point is: in most other popular languages, what > current, young developers do, when they get an error that they don't > understand is copy/paste the literal text in Google and in a surprisingly > large number of cases you find some real answers in the first page. > > > > > > > > This is also related to popularity of course. > > > > > > > > Sven > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

May 14, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Funky BalloonMorph

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

ok hiliare open a ticket and put an initialize. Stef On May 14, 2011, at 3:29 PM, Hilaire Fernandes wrote: > The balloon morph color and layout mess really give a bad bad feeling, > > I gave a look to try to fix it: > > > * COLOR, it seems to be just an initialize issue, one should execute > this in the image: > > BalloonMorph setBalloonColorTo: BalloonMorph defaultBalloonColor. > > > * FONT, same problem, one should execute in the image : > > BalloonMorph balloonFont: StandardFonts defaultFont. > > * LAYOUT, the problem comes from the method > String>>withNoLineLongerThan: doing very badly its job. > > Moreover this method need to be refactored to be readable, it is too > looooong. > Jannick can you give a try, you seem to be the author? > > > Hilaire > >

May 14, 2011