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Re: [Pharo-project] cog vm for iOS

by Casimiro de Almeida Barreto

Em 26-05-2011 14:40, Randal L. Schwartz escreveu: > (...) > Toon> +1... but don't say it too loudly; it might wake up the fanboys ;) > > As long as the UI designers in the open source camp are few and far > between (yes, "gimp", I'm looking at you), I don't think Apple has much > to worry about. Apple products will continue to interoperate better and > *look* better than anything the open source community can muster. > Agreed about "look&feel" and interoperability. But there are lots of things that go beyond that (otherwise Microsoft would be reigning souverain in the field of mobile and that's just not the case). Regarding Apple, long term is not all that safe for the company relies strongly in the ingeniousness of Mr. Jobs and everybody knows what happened when he left the company... Comparing platforms, iOS is a Kawasaki Ninja 1000cc of the mobile devices OS and Android is something between a Honda CG125/250cc. But there's a huge market for small Hondas :) Anyways, I just don't think that leaving Android aside is a good idea. CdAB

May 26, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Smalltalk/Pharo User Group in Spain

by Alexandre Bergel

Excellent synergy! Alexandre On 26 May 2011, at 13:48, Lorenzo Schiavina wrote: > Hi Stef, > > today I spoke to the dean of my faculty who was very positive about the posibility to create an ESUG Italy group. > > He told me to set it up inside our Universtity (UniversitÃ Cattolica di Brescia - FacoltÃ di fisica, matematica e Informatica). > > He will address you personally very soon for organizing a meeting with people from Pharo in the last quarter of the year. > > If you do not receive any mail from him within 15 - 30 days, please, keep me informed. > > Ciao > > Lorenzo > ----- Original Message ----- From: "StÃ©phane Ducasse" <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 1:15 PM > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Smalltalk/Pharo User Group in Spain > > > >> Hi Stef, >> >> I am in contact with an university in Italy; I do not know what you are meaning with "host a lecture", but if I can help, please tell me. > > ESUG has a program to send teacher to teach Smalltalk in University or related places. We can use this program if people wants to get lectures on OOP and Smalltalk. > So if you have connection and people wants to get in touch with smalltalk but are afraid to do so, then we can do something :) > > Stef > >> >> Lorenzo >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "StÃ©phane Ducasse" <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> >> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> >> Cc: "NicolÃ¡s Paez" <nicopaez(a)gmail.com> >> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 9:10 AM >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Smalltalk/Pharo User Group in Spain >> >> >> Hi rafael >> >> >> Thanks for helping for the translation. are in the spanish speaking mailing-lists? >> I will probably do a lecture before the esug conference at edinburgh. Are you planning to attend ESUG? >> Tell us what could be done to help you. Do you have contact with any university where we could host a lecture? >> would remtote pair programming help you? >> >> Stef >> >> >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I'm a software developer with experience mainly based on Java EE and, in the last years, also Groovy and Grails. I'm interesed in Smalltalk and their related frameworks several years ago, so I'm trying to learn about Smalltalk, Pharo, Seaside, etc. by myself. I'm participating in the Pharo By Example translation to spanish and implementing the katas from 12meses12katas [1] chalenge in Pharo. >>> >>> In spite of my efforts I'm still far away to be fluent in Smalltalk and I think the interchange with other Smalltalkers could be of great help in my way of learning. For this reason I would like to meet other Smalltalkers in the Madrid area, and perhaps we could organize an Smalltalk User Group in Madrid. Please, anyone is interested? >>> >>> [1] http://www.12meses12katas.com/ >> >> >> >> > > > > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

May 26, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Smalltalk/Pharo User Group in Spain

by Lorenzo Schiavina

Hi Stef, today I spoke to the dean of my faculty who was very positive about the posibility to create an ESUG Italy group. He told me to set it up inside our Universtity (UniversitÃ Cattolica di Brescia - FacoltÃ di fisica, matematica e Informatica). He will address you personally very soon for organizing a meeting with people from Pharo in the last quarter of the year. If you do not receive any mail from him within 15 - 30 days, please, keep me informed. Ciao Lorenzo ----- Original Message ----- From: "StÃ©phane Ducasse" <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Smalltalk/Pharo User Group in Spain > Hi Stef, > > I am in contact with an university in Italy; I do not know what you are > meaning with "host a lecture", but if I can help, please tell me. ESUG has a program to send teacher to teach Smalltalk in University or related places. We can use this program if people wants to get lectures on OOP and Smalltalk. So if you have connection and people wants to get in touch with smalltalk but are afraid to do so, then we can do something :) Stef > > Lorenzo > ----- Original Message ----- From: "StÃ©phane Ducasse" > <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > Cc: "NicolÃ¡s Paez" <nicopaez(a)gmail.com> > Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 9:10 AM > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Smalltalk/Pharo User Group in Spain > > > Hi rafael > > > Thanks for helping for the translation. are in the spanish speaking > mailing-lists? > I will probably do a lecture before the esug conference at edinburgh. Are > you planning to attend ESUG? > Tell us what could be done to help you. Do you have contact with any > university where we could host a lecture? > would remtote pair programming help you? > > Stef > > >> >> Hi all, >> >> I'm a software developer with experience mainly based on Java EE and, in >> the last years, also Groovy and Grails. I'm interesed in Smalltalk and >> their related frameworks several years ago, so I'm trying to learn about >> Smalltalk, Pharo, Seaside, etc. by myself. I'm participating in the Pharo >> By Example translation to spanish and implementing the katas from >> 12meses12katas [1] chalenge in Pharo. >> >> In spite of my efforts I'm still far away to be fluent in Smalltalk and I >> think the interchange with other Smalltalkers could be of great help in >> my way of learning. For this reason I would like to meet other >> Smalltalkers in the Madrid area, and perhaps we could organize an >> Smalltalk User Group in Madrid. Please, anyone is interested? >> >> [1] http://www.12meses12katas.com/ > > > >

May 26, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] cog vm for iOS

by merlyn＠stonehenge.com

>>>>> "Toon" == Toon Verwaest <toon.verwaest(a)gmail.com> writes: >> In the long term I think Android will win this "championship". Toon> +1... but don't say it too loudly; it might wake up the fanboys ;) As long as the UI designers in the open source camp are few and far between (yes, "gimp", I'm looking at you), I don't think Apple has much to worry about. Apple products will continue to interoperate better and *look* better than anything the open source community can muster. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 <merlyn(a)stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/> Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion

May 26, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] cog vm for iOS

by Esteban Lorenzano

"In the long run we are all dead" ;) (sorry, I couldn't resist it) El 26/05/2011, a las 2:20p.m., Toon Verwaest escribiÃ³: > >> Clearly Apple has a restrictive police on development and >> commercialization of products for the iOS platform. It is not related >> only to development language/environment but also content. Apple censors >> and decides what can and what cannot be put in "their" (should be their >> customers) tablets/phones/iPods (kind: no porno, no political, no >> certain kinds of violence, etc). >> >> One thing that amazes me is that currently there are two contestants to >> the "Tablet& Smartphone World Grand Prix": iOS and Android but people >> in the SqueakVM/CogVM communities are centered only around a single >> "monopolist" manufacturer. IMHO it would be good to have SqueakVM/CogVM >> decently running in Android (>= 2.1). >> >> In the long term I think Android will win this "championship". > +1... but don't say it too loudly; it might wake up the fanboys ;) >

May 26, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] cog vm for iOS

by Toon Verwaest

> Clearly Apple has a restrictive police on development and > commercialization of products for the iOS platform. It is not related > only to development language/environment but also content. Apple censors > and decides what can and what cannot be put in "their" (should be their > customers) tablets/phones/iPods (kind: no porno, no political, no > certain kinds of violence, etc). > > One thing that amazes me is that currently there are two contestants to > the "Tablet& Smartphone World Grand Prix": iOS and Android but people > in the SqueakVM/CogVM communities are centered only around a single > "monopolist" manufacturer. IMHO it would be good to have SqueakVM/CogVM > decently running in Android (>= 2.1). > > In the long term I think Android will win this "championship". +1... but don't say it too loudly; it might wake up the fanboys ;)

May 26, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] testing ui errors in headless mode

by Gary Chambers

Ok, didn't dig deep enough ;-) Regards, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igor Stasenko" <siguctua(a)gmail.com> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] testing ui errors in headless mode On 26 May 2011 17:10, Gary Chambers <gazzaguru2(a)btinternet.com> wrote: > Wonder what the default TooSet is in headless mode... > (since inspect goes via the tool set) > There is no ToolSet (it will be removed) All references to ToolSet will be replaced by Smalltalk tools blah blah idiom. (btw we need to integrate that) > Regards, Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tudor Girba" <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> > To: "Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr open-source Smalltalk" > <pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 4:03 PM > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] testing ui errors in headless mode > > > Hi, > > I tried several ways to get my head around this problem, but I do not know > how to proceed. Can anyone help? > > Cheers, > Doru > > > On 25 May 2011, at 21:21, Tudor Girba wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> We have some smoke tests in Moose that basically spawn a UI and check for >> Error. >> >> This used to work when running headless in Pharo 1.2 but now they fail in >> Pharo 1.3. I believe this has to do with the new changes in the UI >> Manager, >> but I do not know what to do. >> >> To reproduce the problem, you can simply call a Pharo-1.3.image in >> headless mode and file in the attached st file that: >> >> - installs a simple test: >> HeadlessTest>>testStartup >> self shouldnt: [1 inspect] raise: Error >> >> - loads HudsonTools >> >> - runs the test and outputs the XML file report >> >> - although the test should pass, it raises the error: >> HeadlessStartupTest(TestCase)>>signalFailure: >> HeadlessStartupTest(TestCase)>>assert: >> HeadlessStartupTest(TestCase)>>shouldnt:raise: >> HeadlessStartupTest>>testStartup >> HeadlessStartupTest(TestCase)>>performTest >> >> >> Can anyone help? >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "What is more important: To be happy, or to make happy?" >> >> <headlesstest.st> > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "It's not what we do that matters most, it's how we do it." > > > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

May 26, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] cog vm for iOS

by Casimiro de Almeida Barreto

Em 26-05-2011 09:02, Igor Stasenko escreveu: > On 25 May 2011 20:45, Hilaire Fernandes <hilaire.fernandes(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> I have no idea how hard it is to pass the apple check. >> It can indeed temper any effort doing a theme. >> > I think that i can express Apple's policy using single statement: > - why you using language X for your project, if you can implement same > in Objective C. > > :) > Clearly Apple has a restrictive police on development and commercialization of products for the iOS platform. It is not related only to development language/environment but also content. Apple censors and decides what can and what cannot be put in "their" (should be their customers) tablets/phones/iPods (kind: no porno, no political, no certain kinds of violence, etc). One thing that amazes me is that currently there are two contestants to the "Tablet & Smartphone World Grand Prix": iOS and Android but people in the SqueakVM/CogVM communities are centered only around a single "monopolist" manufacturer. IMHO it would be good to have SqueakVM/CogVM decently running in Android (>= 2.1). In the long term I think Android will win this "championship". My 2Â¢ CdAB >> Hilaire >> (...)

May 26, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] testing ui errors in headless mode

by Igor Stasenko

On 26 May 2011 17:03, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I tried several ways to get my head around this problem, but I do not know how to proceed. Can anyone help? > > Cheers, > Doru > > > On 25 May 2011, at 21:21, Tudor Girba wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> We have some smoke tests in Moose that basically spawn a UI and check for Error. >> >> This used to work when running headless in Pharo 1.2 but now they fail in Pharo 1.3. I believe this has to do with the new changes in the UI Manager, but I do not know what to do. >> >> To reproduce the problem, you can simply call a Pharo-1.3.image in headless mode and file in the attached st file that: >> >> - installs a simple test: >> HeadlessTest>>testStartup >> Â Â Â self shouldnt: Â [1 inspect] raise: Â Error Tudor, your test is wrong. During image startup and in headless mode calling inspector will and should raise an error. Because inspecting object requires a presence of UI. But there's no UI in headless mode and prohibited from use during image startup phase, because you cannot start asking questions from user before properly initializing everything related to startup. Startup is called startup on purpose: is should not be interrupted nor require user's interaction. Assume that you don't have Morphic loaded in your image, then what you expect to happen if you do 1 inspect ? >> >> - loads HudsonTools >> >> - runs the test and outputs the XML file report >> >> - although the test should pass, it raises the error: >> HeadlessStartupTest(TestCase)>>signalFailure: >> HeadlessStartupTest(TestCase)>>assert: >> HeadlessStartupTest(TestCase)>>shouldnt:raise: >> HeadlessStartupTest>>testStartup >> HeadlessStartupTest(TestCase)>>performTest >> >> >> Can anyone help? >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "What is more important: To be happy, or to make happy?" >> >> <headlesstest.st> > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "It's not what we do that matters most, it's how we do it." > > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

May 26, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] testing ui errors in headless mode

by Igor Stasenko

On 26 May 2011 17:10, Gary Chambers <gazzaguru2(a)btinternet.com> wrote: > Wonder what the default TooSet is in headless mode... > (since inspect goes via the tool set) > There is no ToolSet (it will be removed) All references to ToolSet will be replaced by Smalltalk tools blah blah idiom. (btw we need to integrate that) > Regards, Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tudor Girba" <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> > To: "Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr open-source Smalltalk" > <pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 4:03 PM > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] testing ui errors in headless mode > > > Hi, > > I tried several ways to get my head around this problem, but I do not know > how to proceed. Can anyone help? > > Cheers, > Doru > > > On 25 May 2011, at 21:21, Tudor Girba wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> We have some smoke tests in Moose that basically spawn a UI and check for >> Error. >> >> This used to work when running headless in Pharo 1.2 but now they fail in >> Pharo 1.3. I believe this has to do with the new changes in the UI Manager, >> but I do not know what to do. >> >> To reproduce the problem, you can simply call a Pharo-1.3.image in >> headless mode and file in the attached st file that: >> >> - installs a simple test: >> HeadlessTest>>testStartup >> self shouldnt: Â [1 inspect] raise: Â Error >> >> - loads HudsonTools >> >> - runs the test and outputs the XML file report >> >> - although the test should pass, it raises the error: >> HeadlessStartupTest(TestCase)>>signalFailure: >> HeadlessStartupTest(TestCase)>>assert: >> HeadlessStartupTest(TestCase)>>shouldnt:raise: >> HeadlessStartupTest>>testStartup >> HeadlessStartupTest(TestCase)>>performTest >> >> >> Can anyone help? >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "What is more important: To be happy, or to make happy?" >> >> <headlesstest.st> > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "It's not what we do that matters most, it's how we do it." > > > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

May 26, 2011