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Re: [Pharo-dev] Loading configuration of spur

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

> On 12 Mar 2018, at 19:50, Eliot Miranda <eliot.miranda(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Sven, > >> On Mar 12, 2018, at 10:46 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: >> >> >> >>> On 12 Mar 2018, at 17:22, Eliot Miranda <eliot.miranda(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Javier, >>> >>> >>>> On Mar 11, 2018, at 11:14 AM, Javier PimÃ¡s <elpochodelagente(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Ok, now I moved forward but cannot load vmmaker sources into a pharo 61 image, is that supported? >>> >>> Both ClÃ©ment and I use Squeak for vm development at the moment. We don't have the cycles to keep it working in both as yet. >> >> Which is a pity for a VM that is called Open Smalltalk. >> >> The net result is that you are missing out on a much larger base of curious developers and potential contributors. > > Agreed. But it is hopefully only temporary. The package did load in Pharo a few years ago, and the prospect of using GT tools is an incentive for getting this working again. As the multiple bytecode set support stabilizes in both Squeak and Pharo I expect it to get easier to maintain VMMaker.oscog in both dialects. VMMaker.oscog had to contain many patches to support the CM development of the SistaV1 bytecode set, and the load failure Javier is seeing is related to this. As time allows I am eliminating these patches. So hopefully it'll load in Pharo soon. That would be really great. >>>> I have this snippet that doesn't work: >>>> >>>> Metacello new >>>> filetreeDirectory: '../VMMaker/mc'; >>>> baseline: 'Spur'; >>>> load >>>> >>>> where ../VMMaker/mc is a clone of the official pharo repo at github. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> pocho >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Javier PimÃ¡s >>>> Ciudad de Buenos Aires

March 12, 2018

Re: [Pharo-dev] Loading configuration of spur

by Eliot Miranda

Hi Sven, > On Mar 12, 2018, at 10:46 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > > > >> On 12 Mar 2018, at 17:22, Eliot Miranda <eliot.miranda(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Javier, >> >> >>> On Mar 11, 2018, at 11:14 AM, Javier PimÃ¡s <elpochodelagente(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Ok, now I moved forward but cannot load vmmaker sources into a pharo 61 image, is that supported? >> >> Both ClÃ©ment and I use Squeak for vm development at the moment. We don't have the cycles to keep it working in both as yet. > > Which is a pity for a VM that is called Open Smalltalk. > > The net result is that you are missing out on a much larger base of curious developers and potential contributors. Agreed. But it is hopefully only temporary. The package did load in Pharo a few years ago, and the prospect of using GT tools is an incentive for getting this working again. As the multiple bytecode set support stabilizes in both Squeak and Pharo I expect it to get easier to maintain VMMaker.oscog in both dialects. VMMaker.oscog had to contain many patches to support the CM development of the SistaV1 bytecode set, and the load failure Javier is seeing is related to this. As time allows I am eliminating these patches. So hopefully it'll load in Pharo soon. > >>> I have this snippet that doesn't work: >>> >>> Metacello new >>> filetreeDirectory: '../VMMaker/mc'; >>> baseline: 'Spur'; >>> load >>> >>> where ../VMMaker/mc is a clone of the official pharo repo at github. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> pocho >>> >>> -- >>> Javier PimÃ¡s >>> Ciudad de Buenos Aires >> > >

March 12, 2018

Re: [Pharo-dev] Loading configuration of spur

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

> On 12 Mar 2018, at 17:22, Eliot Miranda <eliot.miranda(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Javier, > > >> On Mar 11, 2018, at 11:14 AM, Javier PimÃ¡s <elpochodelagente(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Ok, now I moved forward but cannot load vmmaker sources into a pharo 61 image, is that supported? > > Both ClÃ©ment and I use Squeak for vm development at the moment. We don't have the cycles to keep it working in both as yet. Which is a pity for a VM that is called Open Smalltalk. The net result is that you are missing out on a much larger base of curious developers and potential contributors. >> I have this snippet that doesn't work: >> >> Metacello new >> filetreeDirectory: '../VMMaker/mc'; >> baseline: 'Spur'; >> load >> >> where ../VMMaker/mc is a clone of the official pharo repo at github. >> >> Cheers, >> pocho >> >> -- >> Javier PimÃ¡s >> Ciudad de Buenos Aires >

March 12, 2018

Re: [Pharo-dev] Loading configuration of spur

by Eliot Miranda

> On Mar 11, 2018, at 11:14 AM, Javier PimÃ¡s <elpochodelagente(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Ok, now I moved forward but cannot load vmmaker sources into a pharo 61 image, is that supported? I have this snippet that doesn't work: > > Metacello new > filetreeDirectory: '../VMMaker/mc'; > baseline: 'Spur'; > load > > where ../VMMaker/mc is a clone of the official pharo repo at github. and vm development is in VMMaker.oscog in Monticello at source.squeak.org/VMMaker > > Cheers, > pocho > > -- > Javier PimÃ¡s > Ciudad de Buenos Aires

March 12, 2018

Re: [Pharo-dev] Loading configuration of spur

by Eliot Miranda

Hi Javier, > On Mar 11, 2018, at 11:14 AM, Javier PimÃ¡s <elpochodelagente(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Ok, now I moved forward but cannot load vmmaker sources into a pharo 61 image, is that supported? Both ClÃ©ment and I use Squeak for vm development at the moment. We don't have the cycles to keep it working in both as yet. > I have this snippet that doesn't work: > > Metacello new > filetreeDirectory: '../VMMaker/mc'; > baseline: 'Spur'; > load > > where ../VMMaker/mc is a clone of the official pharo repo at github. > > Cheers, > pocho > > -- > Javier PimÃ¡s > Ciudad de Buenos Aires

March 12, 2018

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] feenk log

by Alistair Grant

On 11 March 2018 at 21:01, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > Hi, > > Here is an update of the work on Bloc, Brick and GT. As always, please do let us know what you think. > > [snip/] > > - Andrei put together a beautiful description of a scenario in which an application is molded interactively in the Playground & Inspector. The subject is face recognition, and the resulting code is both functional and explainable. This is intended as a tutorial material that shows what moldable development means and how it changes the way we program: > https://twitter.com/feenkcom/status/972907051448979458 The GToolkit has certainly influenced how I program - and this is a great article that lays it out quite clearly. If I'm developing a new application the first few iterations of the UI are pretty much always extensions to the inspector. I also enjoyed Tudor's interview on No Fluff Just Stuff which discusses a real world use of this: - Podcast audio: https://player.fm/series/no-fluff-just-stuff/changing-the-way-we-code-w-tud… - No Fluff Just Stuff: https://nofluffjuststuff.com/home/main Thanks! Alistair

March 12, 2018

Bintray and files.pharo.org update not working?

by Alistair Grant

Hi Everyone, It looks like: - Bintray is not being updated, nothing has appeared in the last 4 days at https://bintray.com/opensmalltalk/vm/cog/ - files.pharo.org isn't being updated properly, e.g. http://files.pharo.org/vm/pharo-spur32/linux/pharo-linux-i386threaded-20180… has only 7 files in it. The Travis CI job for this commit succeeded: https://travis-ci.org/OpenSmalltalk/opensmalltalk-vm/builds/352271097 Thanks, Alistair

March 12, 2018

FORGET WHAT I SAID: THERE ARE NOT NEW STABLES

by Esteban Lorenzano

because new stables were not stable :) Esteban

March 12, 2018

Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] New stable VMs promoted for both 7.0a and 6.1

by Esteban Lorenzano

meh :/ I restored the old stable VMs honestly, this thing of not having a stable and development branch on VM sucks. Esteban > On 12 Mar 2018, at 14:05, Alistair Grant <akgrant0710(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > On 12 March 2018 at 13:33, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> as the subject said, I promoted new VMs from last week latests on both version 6.1 and 7.0a. >> this should fix some ongoing problems with versioning. >> >> please let me know if something is not working as expected. >> >> cheers! >> Esteban >> >> ps: I donât know what Iâm thinking aboutâ¦ of course you will let me know if something is not working as expected! ;) > > Maybe the jenkins build process... :-) > > .finished baselineInconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-close.c: 811: > _dl_close: Assertion `map->l_init_called' failed! > > Tobias hopes he's fixed it in 802de0a1b, but I haven't tested it yet. > The travis build for it should finish in about 15 minutes. > > Cheers, > Alistair >

March 12, 2018

Re: [Pharo-dev] Loading configuration of spur

by Javier PimÃ¡s

On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 9:25 AM, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com > wrote: > Hmm no idea. The best I can think about is that that VMMaker version is > old (Pharo5 is at least 2 years old) and there is probably a dependency > between VMMaker and the compiler (thus that BytecodeEncoder ref). IF > VMMaker is overriding some methods in BytecodeEncoder, then what is > happenning is that you're breaking the compiler (?). > sounds very much like what i'm seeing. > > In any case, again, that is not the official VMMaker repository but a > mirror. > should I use the one here? http://source.squeak.org/VMMaker Do you still use the one in github? Because if not I would recommend removing it as it is a bit misleading. > On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 11:53 AM, Javier PimÃ¡s <elpochodelagente(a)gmail.com > > wrote: > >> Oh I forgot to write down the actual error. There is a MNU for >> BytecodeEncoder class>>#isExtension: which seems to have been removed from >> the image. It is a bit different to typical doesNotUnderstand errors >> because it opens an emergency evaluator and leaves the image unusable. >> >> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 6:10 AM, Guillermo Polito < >> guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I'll Esteban answer better but I don't know if that VMMaker mirror is >>> up to date. >>> >>> Taking a look at the images/newImage.sh script, it is using Pharo5.0. >>> But I see no reason for it not working on latest versions. Probably some >>> patches are required... >>> >>> What is your error? >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 7:14 PM, Javier PimÃ¡s < >>> elpochodelagente(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Ok, now I moved forward but cannot load vmmaker sources into a pharo 61 >>>> image, is that supported? I have this snippet that doesn't work: >>>> >>>> Metacello new >>>> filetreeDirectory: '../VMMaker/mc'; >>>> baseline: 'Spur'; >>>> load >>>> >>>> where ../VMMaker/mc is a clone of the official pharo repo at github. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> pocho >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Javier PimÃ¡s >>>> Ciudad de Buenos Aires >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> Guille Polito >>> >>> Research Engineer >>> >>> Centre de Recherche en Informatique, Signal et Automatique de Lille >>> >>> CRIStAL - UMR 9189 >>> >>> French National Center for Scientific Research - *http://www.cnrs.fr >>> <http://www.cnrs.fr>* >>> >>> >>> *Web:* *http://guillep.github.io* <http://guillep.github.io> >>> >>> *Phone: *+33 06 52 70 66 13 <06%2052%2070%2066%2013> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Javier PimÃ¡s >> Ciudad de Buenos Aires >> > > > > -- > > > > Guille Polito > > Research Engineer > > Centre de Recherche en Informatique, Signal et Automatique de Lille > > CRIStAL - UMR 9189 > > French National Center for Scientific Research - *http://www.cnrs.fr > <http://www.cnrs.fr>* > > > *Web:* *http://guillep.github.io* <http://guillep.github.io> > > *Phone: *+33 06 52 70 66 13 <06%2052%2070%2066%2013> > -- Javier PimÃ¡s Ciudad de Buenos Aires

March 12, 2018