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[Pharo-project] [update 1.4] #14023

by Marcus Denker

14023 ----- Issue 4457: Polymorph-ToolBuilder package need to be removed http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=4457 Issue 4479: We should rename GLMUITheme into Pharo Theme http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=4479 -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.

July 2, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] About HTTP

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Tx I will look at ZnClient and see if I understand. Stef On Jul 2, 2011, at 9:16 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > > On 01 Jul 2011, at 17:52, stephane ducasse wrote: > >> Hi guys >> >> I'm writing with olivier a chapter for the seaside book on REST and olivier uses curl to analyse the contents of request and answers >> and I would like to see if we can do it in Pharo. Now can I run zinc in another image and spy the requests? >> >> Stef > > curl is a command line http (it also supports some other protocols) client. > it does not spy on conversations between other parties. > > curl is indeed very handy to quickly try out rest calls. > > using the Zn clients you can do almost anything that curl does. > the fact that you have the whole Smalltalk functonality (IDE + language) will make it much more fun. > > furthermore, it is quite easy to add some extra functionality to make it super handy to talk to a specific REST host, transparently parsing and generating JSON with specific conventions or handling certain type of authorization/authentication. but this is often slightly too specific to turn into a general client. > > anyway, we're doing it all the time (and are using curl as well). > > sven > >

July 2, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] **Important Please read** Towards First Class Tasks

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

I think that what would be great is to have a list of next items Stef On Jul 1, 2011, at 11:10 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > So....I've created a wiki page: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/Teams > can you please help me to add the rest ??? > I did it in a "table" way, but I am not sure if it is the best. > > In addition, some text explaining the idea would be nice :) > > thanks for the help > > On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:59 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I would add one for profilers and friends. Alexandre could be the coordinator there. > > On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:40 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Dear Pharoers > > I think that we are doing a great work: when I look at the work on the theme, better widgets, network.....Excellent! and thanks. > Now we were discussing with Doru about how we as community could coordinate and structure ourselves better to create more energy. > > Analysis of the current situation: > Right now we have individuals doing great projects, sometimes we have a group of people but this is often not visible. > Now often happens a bit in ad-hoc way. Because someone ask something, then somebody replies and we integrate the replies. > > What I would like to see emerging are First Class Tasks with > a name > a topic > a coordinator > a group of interested participants, > a set of identified clients (because clients are the ones that often make us deliver more), > a little agenda, > a web presence on the web page > > > If we look at what we have right now that are potential Tasks and really important clients > > - The Z connection: > Network/Socket > Coordinator (proposed): Sven > Socket: Noury Luc Jannik Olivier > Clients: Seasiders, Clouders, > > - Morphic 2: > UI: Alain Gary Igor > Coordinator (proposed): ? > Presenty framework > VoidNullPointer UIBuilder > Athens > Clients: Moose, Pharo IDE > > - Pharo IDE: > Coordinator (proposed): Doru > work around TWM Laurent > Nautilus: Benjamin Laurent > Glamourous: Doru Damien > > - OPAL: > Compiler tool chain > Coordinator (proposed): Marcus? > Jb, Jorge, Marcus, > Helvetia lukas > Niko Schwarz? > > - Package: > Stef, Cyrille > Coordinator (proposed): Stephane > Client: Nautilus, Doru Moose, > > - Metacello > Dale Mariano > Coordinator (proposed): Dale? > Client: Stef with the idea of distribution, Torsten don't you want to help here? > > - Coral: > Coordinator (proposed): Damien? > Damien, Luc, Adrien, Stef, > Client: Damien, Olivier? > > So what would be good is to have the identification on the web site of these groups. > More discussions and concentration with a set of little tasks to be performed > We could tag the mails with [Task-UI], [Task-OPAL], have a little visible agenda. > > What do you think? I think that it is important. > > > > Stef > > > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > > > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >

July 2, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] About HTTP

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 01 Jul 2011, at 17:52, stephane ducasse wrote: > Hi guys > > I'm writing with olivier a chapter for the seaside book on REST and olivier uses curl to analyse the contents of request and answers > and I would like to see if we can do it in Pharo. Now can I run zinc in another image and spy the requests? > > Stef curl is a command line http (it also supports some other protocols) client. it does not spy on conversations between other parties. curl is indeed very handy to quickly try out rest calls. using the Zn clients you can do almost anything that curl does. the fact that you have the whole Smalltalk functonality (IDE + language) will make it much more fun. furthermore, it is quite easy to add some extra functionality to make it super handy to talk to a specific REST host, transparently parsing and generating JSON with specific conventions or handling certain type of authorization/authentication. but this is often slightly too specific to turn into a general client. anyway, we're doing it all the time (and are using curl as well). sven

July 2, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] **Important Please read** Towards First Class Tasks

by Alexandre Bergel

> I would add one for profilers and friends. Alexandre could be the coordinator there. Yes! put me in Alexandre > > On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:40 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Dear Pharoers > > I think that we are doing a great work: when I look at the work on the theme, better widgets, network.....Excellent! and thanks. > Now we were discussing with Doru about how we as community could coordinate and structure ourselves better to create more energy. > > Analysis of the current situation: > Right now we have individuals doing great projects, sometimes we have a group of people but this is often not visible. > Now often happens a bit in ad-hoc way. Because someone ask something, then somebody replies and we integrate the replies. > > What I would like to see emerging are First Class Tasks with > a name > a topic > a coordinator > a group of interested participants, > a set of identified clients (because clients are the ones that often make us deliver more), > a little agenda, > a web presence on the web page > > > If we look at what we have right now that are potential Tasks and really important clients > > - The Z connection: > Network/Socket > Coordinator (proposed): Sven > Socket: Noury Luc Jannik Olivier > Clients: Seasiders, Clouders, > > - Morphic 2: > UI: Alain Gary Igor > Coordinator (proposed): ? > Presenty framework > VoidNullPointer UIBuilder > Athens > Clients: Moose, Pharo IDE > > - Pharo IDE: > Coordinator (proposed): Doru > work around TWM Laurent > Nautilus: Benjamin Laurent > Glamourous: Doru Damien > > - OPAL: > Compiler tool chain > Coordinator (proposed): Marcus? > Jb, Jorge, Marcus, > Helvetia lukas > Niko Schwarz? > > - Package: > Stef, Cyrille > Coordinator (proposed): Stephane > Client: Nautilus, Doru Moose, > > - Metacello > Dale Mariano > Coordinator (proposed): Dale? > Client: Stef with the idea of distribution, Torsten don't you want to help here? > > - Coral: > Coordinator (proposed): Damien? > Damien, Luc, Adrien, Stef, > Client: Damien, Olivier? > > So what would be good is to have the identification on the web site of these groups. > More discussions and concentration with a set of little tasks to be performed > We could tag the mails with [Task-UI], [Task-OPAL], have a little visible agenda. > > What do you think? I think that it is important. > > > > Stef > > > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

July 2, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] **Important Please read** Towards First Class Tasks

by Mariano Martinez Peck

So....I've created a wiki page: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/Teams can you please help me to add the rest ??? I did it in a "table" way, but I am not sure if it is the best. In addition, some text explaining the idea would be nice :) thanks for the help On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:59 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I would add one for profilers and friends. Alexandre could be the > coordinator there. > > On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:40 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < > stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> Dear Pharoers >> >> I think that we are doing a great work: when I look at the work on the >> theme, better widgets, network.....Excellent! and thanks. >> Now we were discussing with Doru about how we as community could >> coordinate and structure ourselves better to create more energy. >> >> Analysis of the current situation: >> Right now we have individuals doing great projects, sometimes we >> have a group of people but this is often not visible. >> Now often happens a bit in ad-hoc way. Because someone ask >> something, then somebody replies and we integrate the replies. >> >> What I would like to see emerging are First Class Tasks with >> a name >> a topic >> a coordinator >> a group of interested participants, >> a set of identified clients (because clients are the ones that >> often make us deliver more), >> a little agenda, >> a web presence on the web page >> >> >> If we look at what we have right now that are potential Tasks and really >> important clients >> >> - The Z connection: >> Network/Socket >> Coordinator (proposed): Sven >> Socket: Noury Luc Jannik Olivier >> Clients: Seasiders, Clouders, >> >> - Morphic 2: >> UI: Alain Gary Igor >> Coordinator (proposed): ? >> Presenty framework >> VoidNullPointer UIBuilder >> Athens >> Clients: Moose, Pharo IDE >> >> - Pharo IDE: >> Coordinator (proposed): Doru >> work around TWM Laurent >> Nautilus: Benjamin Laurent >> Glamourous: Doru Damien >> >> - OPAL: >> Compiler tool chain >> Coordinator (proposed): Marcus? >> Jb, Jorge, Marcus, >> Helvetia lukas >> Niko Schwarz? >> >> - Package: >> Stef, Cyrille >> Coordinator (proposed): Stephane >> Client: Nautilus, Doru Moose, >> >> - Metacello >> Dale Mariano >> Coordinator (proposed): Dale? >> Client: Stef with the idea of distribution, Torsten don't >> you want to help here? >> >> - Coral: >> Coordinator (proposed): Damien? >> Damien, Luc, Adrien, Stef, >> Client: Damien, Olivier? >> >> So what would be good is to have the identification on the web site of >> these groups. >> More discussions and concentration with a set of little tasks to be >> performed >> We could tag the mails with [Task-UI], [Task-OPAL], have a little visible >> agenda. >> >> What do you think? I think that it is important. >> >> >> >> Stef >> >> > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

July 1, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] stress tester with Pharo

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Jul 1, 2011, at 10:42 PM, laurent laffont wrote: > Hi, > > is it possible to create jMeter-like tests with Pharo (and Cog ?) - running a massive number of (native ?) threads that send HTTP requests ? I would be interested by that kind of stress tests. > > Laurent

July 1, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] **Important Please read** Towards First Class Tasks

by Mariano Martinez Peck

I would add one for profilers and friends. Alexandre could be the coordinator there. On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:40 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > wrote: > Dear Pharoers > > I think that we are doing a great work: when I look at the work on the > theme, better widgets, network.....Excellent! and thanks. > Now we were discussing with Doru about how we as community could coordinate > and structure ourselves better to create more energy. > > Analysis of the current situation: > Right now we have individuals doing great projects, sometimes we > have a group of people but this is often not visible. > Now often happens a bit in ad-hoc way. Because someone ask > something, then somebody replies and we integrate the replies. > > What I would like to see emerging are First Class Tasks with > a name > a topic > a coordinator > a group of interested participants, > a set of identified clients (because clients are the ones that often > make us deliver more), > a little agenda, > a web presence on the web page > > > If we look at what we have right now that are potential Tasks and really > important clients > > - The Z connection: > Network/Socket > Coordinator (proposed): Sven > Socket: Noury Luc Jannik Olivier > Clients: Seasiders, Clouders, > > - Morphic 2: > UI: Alain Gary Igor > Coordinator (proposed): ? > Presenty framework > VoidNullPointer UIBuilder > Athens > Clients: Moose, Pharo IDE > > - Pharo IDE: > Coordinator (proposed): Doru > work around TWM Laurent > Nautilus: Benjamin Laurent > Glamourous: Doru Damien > > - OPAL: > Compiler tool chain > Coordinator (proposed): Marcus? > Jb, Jorge, Marcus, > Helvetia lukas > Niko Schwarz? > > - Package: > Stef, Cyrille > Coordinator (proposed): Stephane > Client: Nautilus, Doru Moose, > > - Metacello > Dale Mariano > Coordinator (proposed): Dale? > Client: Stef with the idea of distribution, Torsten don't > you want to help here? > > - Coral: > Coordinator (proposed): Damien? > Damien, Luc, Adrien, Stef, > Client: Damien, Olivier? > > So what would be good is to have the identification on the web site of > these groups. > More discussions and concentration with a set of little tasks to be > performed > We could tag the mails with [Task-UI], [Task-OPAL], have a little visible > agenda. > > What do you think? I think that it is important. > > > > Stef > > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

July 1, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] little challenge for sven and us

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

;D Stef On Jul 1, 2011, at 2:23 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > > On 01 Jul 2011, at 12:53, Janko MivÅ¡ek wrote: > >> Why not simply: >> >> (ZnServer startOn: 1337) >> onRequestRespond: [:request |: ZnResponse ok: 'Hello world'] >> >> >> This is the closest form to that node.js example and really show the >> power of Smalltalk and its closures. Also understandable to everyone >> including the (IMHO) majority, who don't understand design patterns like >> Delegate well. > > If you compare all the Zn delegates that are included, such as Nick's ZnDispatcherDelegate, I think it is clear that #handleRequest: is a good interface. Different use cases require delegate's with more or less features and thus complexity. > > But for the sake of short/elegant examples, I added the ZnSingleThreadedServer>>#onRequestRespond: convenience method, so the examples now become: > > (ZnServer startDefaultOn: 1337) > onRequestRespond: [ :request | ZnResponse ok: (ZnEntity text: 'Hello World!') ]. > > and > > (ZnServer startDefaultOn: 1337) > onRequestRespond: [ :request | ZnResponse ok: (ZnEntity with: request contents) ]. > > Sven > > >

July 1, 2011

[Pharo-project] stress tester with Pharo

by laurent laffont

Hi, is it possible to create jMeter-like tests with Pharo (and Cog ?) - running a massive number of (native ?) threads that send HTTP requests ? Laurent

July 1, 2011