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Re: [Pharo-project] PharoCore 1.3: Transcript Ctrl+S broken

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Aug 9, 2011, at 1:09 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: > It would be better $l from clean (like on Unix). This shortcut already seems to work to clean the workspace. in the browser igor shows me that it put back the method text so indeed it could be consistent. Can you open a ticket? Stef > > Doru > > > On 9 Aug 2011, at 13:02, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> >> On Aug 9, 2011, at 7:07 AM, Lukas Renggli wrote: >> >>> On 8 August 2011 23:34, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>>> Indeed it works also in 14078 >>> >>> Ahh ok, thanks. I thought I was using the latest image, but it seems >>> that I am using 13291. Aside, how do I get the latest 1.3 image? >>> >>>> I would prefer to have Action-C (for clear) than S because I could have never guess it (since it makes me think about save). >>> >>> $c is likely already occupied for copying. >> >> indeed :) >> >> so s for sweep >> >>> >>> Lukas >>> >>>> Stef >>>> >>>> On Aug 8, 2011, at 10:45 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: >>>> >>>>> Lukas, which version are you using? I am in Pharo1.3 >>>>> Latest update: #13293 >>>>> >>>>> and I cannot reproduce it >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 10:22 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>>>> Thanks we will add that in the bug tracker later. >>>>> >>>>> The debugger got shaked because of my idea to change for a better implementation. Sorry about that. >>>>> >>>>> Stef >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 8, 2011, at 9:56 PM, Lukas Renggli wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Another problem I just noticed right now is that pressing Ctrl+S in >>>>>> the Transcript opens a debugger: >>>>>> >>>>>> SubscriptOutOfBounds: 0 >>>>>> >>>>>> Ctrl+S used to clear the transcript, what I found quite useful in the past. >>>>>> >>>>>> Again, I am reporting this here to not forget, because the bug tracker >>>>>> is currently in read-only mode. >>>>>> >>>>>> Lukas >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Lukas Renggli >>>>>> www.lukas-renggli.ch >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Mariano >>>>> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Lukas Renggli >>> www.lukas-renggli.ch >>> >> >> > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "We are all great at making mistakes." > > > > > > > >

Aug. 9, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Seaside on Pharo-Kernel

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Pavel could you create a page on the wiki about pharo-kernel? Because like that it does not lost in our email flow. tx On Aug 9, 2011, at 12:45 PM, Pavel Krivanek wrote: > Hi, > > there's possible to load Seaside to the Pharo-Kernel. > > 1) Load PharoKernel-Gofer image from CI server > (https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/Pharo-Kernel/job/Pharo%20Kernel%20Gofe…) > > 2) run the image with seaside.st script as an argument. That will > create about 4.1 MB image with basic Seaside packages and basic > examples. > > 3) run the image with run.st script (note that starting of the server > in the seaside.st script will hang, currently I have no idea why). > > 4) see if everything works at http://localhost:8080/examples/examplebrowser > > Cheers, > -- Pavel > <run.st><seaside.st>

Aug. 9, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] On the way to 1.3 Release: images

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

adrian do you have the banner file formats so that we store them on svn? Stef On Aug 9, 2011, at 10:30 AM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > Thanks, Marcus! > > On Aug 9, 2011, at 08:41 , Marcus Denker wrote: > > [...] > >> Next steps: > > [...] > >> -> change the links on pharo-project to point to these images for >> http://www.pharo-project.org/pharo-download/stable >> http://www.pharo-project.org/pharo-download/stable-core > > Done. > >> -> change the link >> http://www.pharo-project.org/pharo-download/unstable(-core) >> to point to the one jenkins build of 1.4 > > I changed /unstable-core to point to https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/Pharo%201.4/job/Pharo%201.4/lastSucces… > > I assume there is no /unstable build (yet)? > >> -> add a page or 1.3 on pharo-project.org > > I added a place holder with a link to the Wiki page http://www.pharo-project.org/pharo-download/release-1-3 > > It would be nice if we could move the text over and revise it a bit. Any taker? > >> >> -> clean up a bit, no need to have pages for old .1 release. > > On pharo-project.org? > > > Once we have the one-click image, we also need to update the download banner and the links on http://www.pharo-project.org/pharo-download > > Cheers, > Adrian

Aug. 9, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] On the way to 1.3 Release: images

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Aug 9, 2011, at 9:23 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:41 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Hi, > > So now we have images on Gforge that will be the release: > > Core: > https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/28859/PharoCore-1.3-13298.zip > > Full: > https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/28860/Pharo-1.3-13298.zip > > > They are the ones build by Hudson, because magically the unix vm used > there reads cog images but saves interpreter images (didn't know that). > > > I have just tested in Mac OS and it works with both, Cog and not Cog vms :) > > So these images should even run on ancient VMs, as promised for 1.3. > > > Next steps: > > -> Build a one-click image. If nobody helps, I will do the same like 1.2: > take the one of 1.2 and just copy some random VMs in there. Worked > fine last time... > > > I think Igor can help us to decide which VMs to use. I would use the latest stable of Jenkis. > For the Windows VM, Torsten did some branding: > http://forum.world.st/ANN-Customized-Cog-Win32-for-Pharo-1-3-based-on-Cog-r… > > However, that's not yet integrated to jenkis. Even more, that VM is "old" and I think the bug fixed in the last days is quite important. So I would try first to update ConfigurationOfCog and gitorious in order to get a last VM. I think Igor said he was going to do that. yes but he found in bug in the Code Generator (eliot is aware of it) so he could not compile the vm once merging the last bug eliot fixed. > > > -> change the links on pharo-project to point to these images for > http://www.pharo-project.org/pharo-download/stable > http://www.pharo-project.org/pharo-download/stable-core > > -> change the link > http://www.pharo-project.org/pharo-download/unstable(-core) > to point to the one jenkins build of 1.4 > > -> add a page or 1.3 on pharo-project.org > > -> clean up a bit, no need to have pages for old .1 release. > > -> add actions done: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/ActionsInPharoOneDotThree > > Maybe Laurent can help since he has access :) > > > > > Marcus > > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de > > > > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >

Aug. 9, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] audio and pharo

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Ok if you want that you should build a roadmap and start assembling pieces that exist and people will certainly join. Now we are musicians (except people from the Haute ecole musicale de Geneves)so this is difficult for us to work on that. Stef On Aug 9, 2011, at 3:23 AM, Brad Fuller wrote: > On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 12:40, StÃ©phane Ducasse > <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >>> That's unfortunate. :-( Ok. thanks for the reply. >> >> yes but if nobody helps we cannot do everything. >> What are you looking for? > > (I created a msg, but it went to the bit bucket some how.... See if I > can remember what I wrote) > > There are various native packages - MIDI, FM, wav, piano roll music > player, etc. and external ones like Siren, mu0, but I'm looking for > interactivity. If Squeak/Pharo had tools to create audio content where > the composer could build interactive music, or the sound designer was > able to adjust audio parameters dynamically, it would allow content > designers - or even product designers - a way to build audio richness > into their products. > > Let's take a vehicle, like a car, as an example. Usually, not always, > but usually sound designers will record various samples of an car > engine at different engine RPM settings and at different engine LOADS. > At playback, these files will be crossfaded to build a coherent engine > sound. In a simplistic set up, the pitch of the first sample will be > shifted until it reaches the crossfade area of the next sample... and > on it goes up to the highest RPM. In this way, a full engine sound can > be created by just changing the pitch (the reason for the crossfade is > that a sample can only be pitch shifted so far and beyond that will > sound artificial.) > > To make it more realistic, another variable, LOAD, is added which > allows crossfading between two samples, at the same RPM, to allow > timbre to change -- simulating engine load > > Ok, too much information. But, you get the idea. Having a tool to > build this interactivity (it doesn't have to be as synthetic as the > example) and then using the resulting assets to be added to a product > (hmmm, like the EToys car demo) would allow interactivity.. more than > just selecting a sound to play, which is what we have now. > > For an example, see FMOD Designer > (http://www.fmod.org/index.php/products/designer) Free to > download/use. Something like this, with an accompanying engine, could > probably be easily built in Squeak or Pharo. > > b > >> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 00:51, Henrik Johansen >>> <henrik.s.johansen(a)veloxit.no> wrote: >>>> >>>> On Aug 8, 2011, at 3:00 49AM, Brad Fuller wrote: >>>> >>>>> Has pharo improved/added any audio related classes since the fork? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> brad >>>>> >>>> >>>> Improved, no. >>>> Kept what you'd find in Sound-* in Squeak up to date? Sort of. >>>> Though there were problems with loading it in 1.2/1.3 I'm not sure was resolved correctly, you can find the code in PharoSound repository on Squeaksource. >>>> >>>> As for improvements, you could check out http://forum.world.st/ANN-SqueakMovieMorph-Alpha-plays-any-video-file-playa… >>>> (make sure to use a VM including the plugin) >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Henry >>>> >>> >> >> >> >

Aug. 9, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] PharoCore 1.3: Transcript Ctrl+S broken

by Tudor Girba

It would be better $l from clean (like on Unix). This shortcut already seems to work to clean the workspace. Doru On 9 Aug 2011, at 13:02, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > > On Aug 9, 2011, at 7:07 AM, Lukas Renggli wrote: > >> On 8 August 2011 23:34, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>> Indeed it works also in 14078 >> >> Ahh ok, thanks. I thought I was using the latest image, but it seems >> that I am using 13291. Aside, how do I get the latest 1.3 image? >> >>> I would prefer to have Action-C (for clear) than S because I could have never guess it (since it makes me think about save). >> >> $c is likely already occupied for copying. > > indeed :) > > so s for sweep > >> >> Lukas >> >>> Stef >>> >>> On Aug 8, 2011, at 10:45 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: >>> >>>> Lukas, which version are you using? I am in Pharo1.3 >>>> Latest update: #13293 >>>> >>>> and I cannot reproduce it >>>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 10:22 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>>> Thanks we will add that in the bug tracker later. >>>> >>>> The debugger got shaked because of my idea to change for a better implementation. Sorry about that. >>>> >>>> Stef >>>> >>>> On Aug 8, 2011, at 9:56 PM, Lukas Renggli wrote: >>>> >>>>> Another problem I just noticed right now is that pressing Ctrl+S in >>>>> the Transcript opens a debugger: >>>>> >>>>> SubscriptOutOfBounds: 0 >>>>> >>>>> Ctrl+S used to clear the transcript, what I found quite useful in the past. >>>>> >>>>> Again, I am reporting this here to not forget, because the bug tracker >>>>> is currently in read-only mode. >>>>> >>>>> Lukas >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Lukas Renggli >>>>> www.lukas-renggli.ch >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mariano >>>> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Lukas Renggli >> www.lukas-renggli.ch >> > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "We are all great at making mistakes."

Aug. 9, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] PharoCore 1.3: Transcript Ctrl+S broken

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Aug 9, 2011, at 7:07 AM, Lukas Renggli wrote: > On 8 August 2011 23:34, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> Indeed it works also in 14078 > > Ahh ok, thanks. I thought I was using the latest image, but it seems > that I am using 13291. Aside, how do I get the latest 1.3 image? > >> I would prefer to have Action-C (for clear) than S because I could have never guess it (since it makes me think about save). > > $c is likely already occupied for copying. indeed :) so s for sweep > > Lukas > >> Stef >> >> On Aug 8, 2011, at 10:45 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: >> >>> Lukas, which version are you using? I am in Pharo1.3 >>> Latest update: #13293 >>> >>> and I cannot reproduce it >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 10:22 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>> Thanks we will add that in the bug tracker later. >>> >>> The debugger got shaked because of my idea to change for a better implementation. Sorry about that. >>> >>> Stef >>> >>> On Aug 8, 2011, at 9:56 PM, Lukas Renggli wrote: >>> >>>> Another problem I just noticed right now is that pressing Ctrl+S in >>>> the Transcript opens a debugger: >>>> >>>> SubscriptOutOfBounds: 0 >>>> >>>> Ctrl+S used to clear the transcript, what I found quite useful in the past. >>>> >>>> Again, I am reporting this here to not forget, because the bug tracker >>>> is currently in read-only mode. >>>> >>>> Lukas >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Lukas Renggli >>>> www.lukas-renggli.ch >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mariano >>> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >>> >> >> >> > > > > -- > Lukas Renggli > www.lukas-renggli.ch >

Aug. 9, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Shout in Pharo 1.3

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

I would like to know too. Alain is on holiday else he could tell us. Can you open a ticket and put alain on cc? Stef > Does anybody has a version of Shout that correctly works in the > traditional tools in Pharo 1.3? > > I tried various versions of Shout, but could not find one that worked > correctly in the traditional tools. The problem I see is that Shout is > not properly setup/updated anymore, i.e. it does not callback to the > model (#shoutAboutToStyle:). When the browser/debugger changes the > method/definition/comment highlighting is not enabled/disabled and the > context is not changed. > > Does anybody have a working version of Shout and/or knows how to > easily make it work? > > It works in OB because I subclassed 3 editor classes and undone the > "new" way of how highlighting works. I thought I bring this up again, > because as far as I see there is still the same problem ... > > Lukas > > -- > Lukas Renggli > www.lukas-renggli.ch >

Aug. 9, 2011

[Pharo-project] Seaside on Pharo-Kernel

by Pavel Krivanek

Hi, there's possible to load Seaside to the Pharo-Kernel. 1) Load PharoKernel-Gofer image from CI server (https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/Pharo-Kernel/job/Pharo%20Kernel%20Gofe…) 2) run the image with seaside.st script as an argument. That will create about 4.1 MB image with basic Seaside packages and basic examples. 3) run the image with run.st script (note that starting of the server in the seaside.st script will hang, currently I have no idea why). 4) see if everything works at http://localhost:8080/examples/examplebrowser Cheers, -- Pavel

Aug. 9, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] On the way to 1.3 Release: images

by Marcus Denker

Thanks! > >> -> change the link >> http://www.pharo-project.org/pharo-download/unstable(-core) >> to point to the one jenkins build of 1.4 > > I changed /unstable-core to point to https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/Pharo%201.4/job/Pharo%201.4/lastSucces… > > I assume there is no /unstable build (yet)? > For 1.4, we want to not have multiple images anymore... this is really difficult to fix bugs in two images, it's hard to explain, it complicated harvesting fixes (two completely different ways), it confuses new people. So there is just one Pharo starting from 1.4 Right now, this is the same as what used to be the core image. But we will add everything there that is needed to make it that environment that we want to use for developing Pharo itself... >> >> -> clean up a bit, no need to have pages for old .1 release. > > On pharo-project.org? > yes... the page for 1.1.1 we should merge into the page for 1.1 (just to make it look cleaner) Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

Aug. 9, 2011