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Re: [Pharo-project] Keymapping & OB conflict (was Re: Chasing Browsers)

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Thanks for this really bad and sad message. So you are implying that Seaside, Magritte, Pier, OB, PetitParser will not be maintained on Pharo 1.4. This is important for us to know that and this is a really nice stab in our back and this will kill a lot of the effort we build over the years. Thanks again lukas! At least this is clear. Stef On Dec 11, 2011, at 12:33 PM, Lukas Renggli wrote: >> - then that OB can be loaded on top of Pharo. Remember we are not against OB we just do not have >> the knowledge to maintain it. So if lukas gets OB working for 1.4 beta then we will probably include in Pharo. >> Now if OB is working for 1.4 only three months after 1.4 is released then we will not include it. > > Yes please, do not wait for me. > > Just to repeat myself: With Pharo 1.4 having uncountable changes in > core parts of the system and with the system including more and more > forked and increasingly incompatible versions of packages (AST, RB, > FS, Shout, Regex, ...) I am unwilling to go through the same pain as > with Pharo 1.3 again. In the current state, I don't see any of the > code I am involved with (including Seaside, Magritte, Pier, OB, > PetitParser, ...) to move forward. I suspect that moving to another > development platform soon causes less pain than to move to adopt the > next Pharo :-( > > Lukas > > -- > Lukas Renggli > www.lukas-renggli.ch >

Dec. 11, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Do we need the URI Package?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

marcus may be we could rescue some of the comments I wrote on URL/URI because I took me energy to do that and we could paste them in Zinc one. On Dec 11, 2011, at 11:38 AM, Marcus Denker wrote: > Hi, > > There are three packages concerned with URLs: > > -> ZnUrl in Zinc > -> Network-URI > -> Network-Url > > URI was a package from Impara that was used extensively in all Impara products and Sophie... back than, > the idea was to integrate Impara infrastructure in Squeak, but that did not happen due to politics... > > Network-URI seems to be used nowhere in the system, so I guess we can remove it? Or is anyone using it? > > Marcus > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de > >

Dec. 11, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [Seaside] Call for Participation in the Smalltalk Devroom at FOSDEM 2012.

by stephane ducasse

Do we really have to register to yet another mailing-list? the pharo people wants to have a slot. We will probably participate to the sprint the day before. > - Their name S.Ducasse, M.Denker, â¦ > - The project they are associated with Pharo http://www.pharo-project.org > - A short bio, to be put on the website along with their speaker name S.Ducasse, M.Denker â¦ are core developers of Pharo. http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr > - (optionally) a picture of themselves > - The title of their session (which will go on the website and in the booklet) The next steps for the Pharo vision > - A abstract describing the session in further detail. Pharo is slowly but steadily emerging. A more robust and cleaner infrastructure has been put in place In this session we will describe the steps achieved so far in Pharo and the next ones we want to achieve: like having a better FFI, integration process, smaller kernel, new scalable canvas API. In addition we want to give the opportunity to pharoers to ask questions, raise points of discussions. > - The desired length of the session. 55 min > - The desired time slot in which they want to hold the session. 10h-11h > On Dec 7, 2011, at 11:52 PM, Stephan Eggermont wrote: > Call for Participation in the Smalltalk Devroom at FOSDEM 2012. > > "A devroom for the Pharo, Squeak, GST, EtoilÃ©, > Seaside, Moose Smalltalk projects. Smalltalk environments > offer a very high development productivity, unmatched by > their successors. Come do some pair programming with us > and experience the advantages of a real OO environment." > > The meetup will take place Sunday, February 5, 2012, > from 9AM until 5PM, room AW1.126. This room has 72 seats, > a VGA video projector and wireless internet. > More information will be available later. > > Proposals on content and format are welcome. > > People interested in running a session should announce that > on the smalltalk-devroom mailing list, with the following > information: > > - Their name > - The project they are associated with > - A short bio, to be put on the website along with their speaker name > - (optionally) a picture of themselves > - The title of their session (which will go on the website and in the booklet) > - A abstract describing the session in further detail. > - The desired length of the session. > - The desired time slot in which they want to hold the session. > > Suggested values for the duration are 55min, 25min, 6m40 (Pecha Kucha). > The desired time slot is meant to help you prevent conflicts with other dev > rooms in which you might have a talk or your travel arrangements. > > The deadline for submissions is December 31, 23:00 GMT+1. > > Discussion takes place on the > smalltalk-devroom(a)lists.fosdem.org > mailing list. Please subscribe if you are interested: > https://lists.fosdem.org/listinfo/smalltalk-devroom > > The local VUB/ULB Smalltalkers have been asked to organize > a sprint/BSUG meeting on Saturday Februari 4. > > Devroom related URLs: > http://www.pharo-project.org > http://www.squeak.org/ > http://etoileos.com/ > http://www.seaside.st/ > http://smalltalk.gnu.org/ > > Please distribute > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside >

Dec. 11, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Eclipse Icons for Pharo

by Esteban Lorenzano

Hi Fernando, oops... I forgot your icon importer, sorry :P I would like âfor a futureâ to integrate it to pharo and replace current ThemeIcons with an icon strategy based on your package... maybe that is the best "future scenario" for icons. best, Esteban El 11/12/2011, a las 8:49a.m., Fernando Olivero escribiÃ³: > Hi Esteban, nice work! > For importing the icons you can use the toolset i've developed: it > automates completely the process of importing a complete set of icons > of a given family. > > ExternalIconFamily @ squeaksource. > I've used it for importing the Oxygen icon set, and others (you can > google the list for previous related emails). > > Fernando > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 10:38 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse > <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> Esteban >> I know that feeling :) >> >> :) >> Now I'm not sure that I would like to carry the Eclipse License around in Pharo :) >> What are the other icons sets we could use with a nice license and we do it :). >> famfam? >> >> We should clean also the old icons because some are really old. >> Thanks for pushing that. I would love to have new icons for Pharo. >> Stef >> >> >> >> On Dec 11, 2011, at 3:15 AM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Today I was bored and not wanting to think too much... but I wanted to do something for Pharo... and I never liked the current Pharo icons, so I took one icon library I really like and changed all needed icons (well... all that I saw). >>> Here a couple of screen shots: >>> >>> <Captura de pantalla 2011-12-10 a la(s) 23.05.55.png> >>> <Captura de pantalla 2011-12-10 a la(s) 23.06.20.png> >>> >>> Of course, I don't think they are perfect (also maybe I didn't pick the best icons), but I think they look a lot better than the older. >>> >>> If you want to see how they look, this are the packages: >>> >>> for Pharo 1.3: >>> >>> <Eclipse-Icons-EstebanLorenzano.2.mcz> >>> >>> for Pharo 1.4: >>> >>> <Eclipse-Icons-EstebanLorenzano.4.mcz> >>> >>> >>> Then you execute: >>> >>> ThemeIcons initializeIcons. >>> World resetWorldMenu. >>> >>> ... and enjoy your new icons :) >>> >>> btw... this icons are in an open-source license, the EPL: http://www.eclipse.org/legal/epl-v10.html >>> so, maybe âif all agreeâ, we can add this icons to regular distribution :) >>> >>> best, >>> Esteban >>> >> >> >

Dec. 11, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Eclipse Icons for Pharo

by Esteban Lorenzano

Hi Stef, yeah... I know the license issue. Real problem is that eclipse-icons is the unique icon set I know developed for a programming environment (even if it is a ugly one like java, eclipse is a really interesting platform to take ideas from âsee glamour, if nothing else :) Because of this, we can find in eclipse-icons almost everything we need (maybe doing some extrapolations, but well... nothing is perfect ;) Other icon sets (of those I know, like oxygen, tango, etc) are thought for windows desktops (ubuntu, kde), and they don't fit well in Pharo (at least I can't think in a way of doing they fit in). Anyway... I know the license issue is important, I just would love to see our Pharo with a modern icon set (current icons are just not good at all: too old, too childish âwhich was a good thing at a time, but not anymore). best, Esteban El 11/12/2011, a las 6:38a.m., StÃ©phane Ducasse escribiÃ³: > Esteban > I know that feeling :) > > :) > Now I'm not sure that I would like to carry the Eclipse License around in Pharo :) > What are the other icons sets we could use with a nice license and we do it :). > famfam? > > We should clean also the old icons because some are really old. > Thanks for pushing that. I would love to have new icons for Pharo. > Stef > > > > On Dec 11, 2011, at 3:15 AM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Today I was bored and not wanting to think too much... but I wanted to do something for Pharo... and I never liked the current Pharo icons, so I took one icon library I really like and changed all needed icons (well... all that I saw). >> Here a couple of screen shots: >> >> <Captura de pantalla 2011-12-10 a la(s) 23.05.55.png> >> <Captura de pantalla 2011-12-10 a la(s) 23.06.20.png> >> >> Of course, I don't think they are perfect (also maybe I didn't pick the best icons), but I think they look a lot better than the older. >> >> If you want to see how they look, this are the packages: >> >> for Pharo 1.3: >> >> <Eclipse-Icons-EstebanLorenzano.2.mcz> >> >> for Pharo 1.4: >> >> <Eclipse-Icons-EstebanLorenzano.4.mcz> >> >> >> Then you execute: >> >> ThemeIcons initializeIcons. >> World resetWorldMenu. >> >> ... and enjoy your new icons :) >> >> btw... this icons are in an open-source license, the EPL: http://www.eclipse.org/legal/epl-v10.html >> so, maybe âif all agreeâ, we can add this icons to regular distribution :) >> >> best, >> Esteban >> > >

Dec. 11, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] [COTDC] 94 - AnnouncementSet

by Tudor Girba

Hi, On 11 Dec 2011, at 08:07, Igor Stasenko wrote: > On 10 December 2011 10:41, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> I would not say useless may be you need the composite and you do not need to repeat AddChild, RemoveChild all the times but use the composite >> >> > > well.. usually a different events suppose different reactions to them, > otherwise why care making lot event kinds if you handle them > similarily? Often the UI is built after/independently from the model. You want to have the model raise fine grained announcements to enable the layers on top, but sometimes it is easier in the UI to refresh everything whenever something happens. Cheers, Doru >>> >>> Igor Stasenko wrote >>>> >>>> which is pretty useless IMO. >>>> >>> >>> The collaborative book says: >>> >>> If you want to register the same action for multiple events, simply create >>> an AnnouncementSet using a comma: >>>> >>>> Parent>>initialize >>>> super initialize. >>>> self session announcer on: AddChild, RemoveChild do: [:it | self >>>> changeChild: it child] >>> >>> -- >>> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Re-Pharo-users-COTDC-94-AnnouncementSet-tp4178427p417… >>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> >> >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every now and then stop and ask yourself if the war you're fighting is the right one."

Dec. 11, 2011

[Pharo-project] small typo on pharo-project.org

by Tudor Girba

Hi, My contribution for the month: http://www.pharo-project.org/pharo-download/unstable-1-4 Jenkis should be Jenkins :) Doru -- www.tudorgirba.com "One cannot do more than one can do."

Dec. 11, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Eclipse Icons for Pharo

by Esteban Lorenzano

Hi Sven, yes... first consecuence of this is that I will be able to produce a list of needed icons for pharo... Other think is that I really don't like the way they are organized... they are all on ThemeIcons class side, and maybe we should have a strategy, to allow us to switch between different iconsets... anyway... this is a first step, I think a goo one :) cheers, Esteban El 11/12/2011, a las 6:04a.m., Sven Van Caekenberghe escribiÃ³: > > On 11 Dec 2011, at 03:15, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > >> Today I was bored and not wanting to think too much... but I wanted to do something for Pharo... > > Great initiative! > > I personnaly don't like each of them, but these icons form a big, consistent set and make a good modernization of the UI. We should take this as a start and go over all missing ones, and maybe add a few unique once. > > Thanks. > > Sven

Dec. 11, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Eclipse Icons for Pharo

by Fernando Olivero

Hi Esteban, nice work! For importing the icons you can use the toolset i've developed: it automates completely the process of importing a complete set of icons of a given family. ExternalIconFamily @ squeaksource. I've used it for importing the Oxygen icon set, and others (you can google the list for previous related emails). Fernando On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 10:38 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Esteban > I know that feeling :) > > :) > Now I'm not sure that I would like to carry the Eclipse License around in Pharo :) > What are the other icons sets we could use with a nice license and we do it :). > famfam? > > We should clean also the old icons because some are really old. > Thanks for pushing that. I would love to have new icons for Pharo. > Stef > > > > On Dec 11, 2011, at 3:15 AM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Today I was bored and not wanting to think too much... but I wanted to do something for Pharo... and I never liked the current Pharo icons, so I took one icon library I really like and changed all needed icons (well... all that I saw). >> Here a couple of screen shots: >> >> <Captura de pantalla 2011-12-10 a la(s) 23.05.55.png> >> <Captura de pantalla 2011-12-10 a la(s) 23.06.20.png> >> >> Of course, I don't think they are perfect (also maybe I didn't pick the best icons), but I think they look a lot better than the older. >> >> If you want to see how they look, this are the packages: >> >> for Pharo 1.3: >> >> <Eclipse-Icons-EstebanLorenzano.2.mcz> >> >> for Pharo 1.4: >> >> <Eclipse-Icons-EstebanLorenzano.4.mcz> >> >> >> Then you execute: >> >> ThemeIcons initializeIcons. >> World resetWorldMenu. >> >> ... and enjoy your new icons :) >> >> btw... this icons are in an open-source license, the EPL: http://www.eclipse.org/legal/epl-v10.html >> so, maybe âif all agreeâ, we can add this icons to regular distribution :) >> >> best, >> Esteban >> > >

Dec. 11, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Keymapping & OB conflict (was Re: Chasing Browsers)

by Lukas Renggli

>Â - then that OB can be loaded on top of Pharo. Remember we are not against OB we just do not have >Â Â the knowledge to maintain it. So if lukas gets OB working for 1.4 beta then we will probably include in Pharo. >Â Â Now if OB is working for 1.4 only three months after 1.4 is released then we will not include it. Yes please, do not wait for me. Just to repeat myself: With Pharo 1.4 having uncountable changes in core parts of the system and with the system including more and more forked and increasingly incompatible versions of packages (AST, RB, FS, Shout, Regex, ...) I am unwilling to go through the same pain as with Pharo 1.3 again. In the current state, I don't see any of the code I am involved with (including Seaside, Magritte, Pier, OB, PetitParser, ...) to move forward. I suspect that moving to another development platform soon causes less pain than to move to adopt the next Pharo :-( Lukas -- Lukas Renggli www.lukas-renggli.ch

Dec. 11, 2011