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Re: [Pharo-project] [Vm-dev] Re: NativeBoost VM's

by Igor Stasenko

On 5 March 2012 22:26, Eliot Miranda <eliot.miranda(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Igor, > > On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On 4 March 2012 22:46, Jan van de Sandt <jvdsandt(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > Hello, >> > >> > On the Pharo Jenkins server [1] there is a recent build of a VM with >> > NativeBoost support for the Mac. But the Unix version is six months old and >> > there is no Windows version. >> >> The Unix one was not built because i forgot to set the upstream project, :) >> so build doesn't triggers when everything else builds. >> The Windows one, i was built manually on my machine, because we were lacking >> windows slave for jenkins. >> You can download windows VM from nativeboost project downloads page: >> http://code.google.com/p/nativeboost/downloads/list >> >> I'm not happy with VM i built (Cog + NativeBoost Win32 Binaries (7 Feb, 2012) ). >> I built the threaded VM, and besides the warning which pops up every >> time you launch it, >> i had couple crashes when simply loading MC packages. >> I am still not sure what happens, and need to investigate, because the >> other VM i built recently >> on another windows machine (by installing everything from scratch) >> behaves quite stable. > > > I would definitely treat the threaded VM as experimental for now. Â It is in development (stalled due to lack of time), bleeding edge and very much not ready for prime time. I used to use it regularly on Mac but then it started locking up. Â I plan to get back to it this year sometime, but right now it is "use at your own risk" and not something to inflict on the unwitting. I know the status, Eliot. But also, i know that we need to give it a try. A community should help in developing it and testing.. You should not stand alone vs all dragons. -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

March 5, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus feedback

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com>wrote: > Why should I do this manually? > I tried 'Choose new default browser' and 'Register this Browser as > default', it does not work for me (I have a 14341). Is there something > incorrect I am doing? > > If you use the latest Nautilus from the correct repository (ss3), then cmd+b should open Nautilus BY DEFAULT. But that was added by ben quite recently. So, be sure to be using the latest version. I saw a problem you were downloading from ss...so that will be outdated. cheers > Alexandre > > > On 5 Mar 2012, at 16:28, Benjamin wrote: > > > Why don't you set Nautilus as the default browser ? > > (And should be by default) > > > > > > Ben > > > > On Mar 5, 2012, at 8:16 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > > > >>>> - Cmd-b does not open a Nautilus, but a standard browser > >>> > >>> It opens the default browser :) > >> > >> Is there a way to change this? This almost prevent me from using > Nautilus. I use cmd-b a lot actually. > >> OB does it pretty well... > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Alexandre > >> > >> > >> -- > >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

March 5, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Showing the setUp method in Nautilus

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

May remove the read from squeak source :) Stef On Mar 5, 2012, at 6:28 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > You are using a really old version of Nautilus. > > You load the configuration from the old repo. Now everything is on Gemstone. > > Ben, can you update not only the "Wiki" in ss but also the "Overview" (first tab) ? > > :) > > > > I still can't understand why you do not use a plugin for that. > Or an external class. > > Since menu items and shortcuts are pragma based, you can define them anywhere in the system. And you can also retrieve data from the NautilusUI instance. > > Ben > > On Mar 5, 2012, at 6:09 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > > > Voila, I produced version 4.1 > > Please check. > > I did not use a plugin since the commands are directly implemented on NautilusUI, I therefore guess that a plugin is not the way to define commands. > > > > Also, something that I would find very useful, is to open a new Nautilus directly on the Group tab. I often see myself switching to the Group tab. Am I the only one? > > > > Cheers, > > Alexandre > > > > > > On 5 Mar 2012, at 13:40, Benjamin wrote: > > > >> > >> On Mar 5, 2012, at 12:52 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > >> > >>> Hi! > >>> > >>> I worked on a new method item action to easily show the setUp method of a testCase. This helps reduce the amount of clicks and context switching when one wants to know what the setUp method is about while writing a test method. > >> > >> Cool > >> > >>> I think it is a good candidate for being included in Nautilus. > >>> Ben, if you agree with this, I can to commit in the Nautilus rep and produce a new version of the configuration. How does that sound? > >> > >> Commit, and I will have a look ;) > >> I though you started also a NautilusPlugin related to that, am I wrong ? > >> > >>> > >>> Question: how to associate a shortcut to an action? > >> > >> Anywhere on class side something like: > >> > >> buildRefactoringMethodShortcutsOn: aBuilder > >> <keymap> > >> > >> (aBuilder shortcut: #rename) > >> category: #NautilusMethodShortcuts > >> default: $r command > >> do: [:target || scroll | > >> scroll := target methodWidget vScrollValue. > >> target refactor renameMethodFor: target selectedMethod. > >> target methodWidget vScrollValue: scroll] > >> > >> The categories are: > >> #NautilusMethodShortcuts > >> #NautilusProtocolShortcuts > >> #NautilusClassShortcuts > >> #NautilusPackageShortcuts > >> > >> and here target is the NautilusUi instance which get the keyStroke. > >> > >>> > >>> Side comment: it would be a good move to adopt a class hierarchy a la OB to define commands. Defining all the commands in NautilusUI does not scale and simply does not work for non trivial command. > >> > >> For me, it generates to much classes. And now that Guillermo did a great work for KeyMappings, I prefer to use it :) > >> > >> > >> Ben > >> > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Alexandre > >>> -- > >>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > >>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > >>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> <ShowSetupInNautilus.1.cs> > >> > > > > -- > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >

March 5, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus would be a nice GSoC project (was MVP)

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Yes good idea :) Stef On Mar 5, 2012, at 5:54 PM, Janko MivÅ¡ek wrote: > Hi Benjamin, > > Are you thinking about applying with Nautilus on this Google Summer of > Code? I think your work is to be supported more, and applying to the > GSoC stipendium is a nice opportunity, not to be missed :) > > Best regards > Janko > > Dne 05. 03. 2012 17:46, piÅ¡e Benjamin: >> The problem is that we improved a lot he morphic layout in 1.4, and Spec is based on that. So most probably it doesn't work in 1.3 (and I didn't put effort in this direction, and will probably not) >> >> >> Try Nautilus instead of OB ^^ >> Again, we improved the system, but we are not maintaining OB, so it could be not up to date. >> >> >> Have fun with Spec, >> >> Ben >> >> On Mar 5, 2012, at 1:41 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> >>> spec is not made to work on 1.3 >>> >>> Stef >>> >>> On Mar 5, 2012, at 10:03 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: >>> >>>> Stef, >>>> >>>> Thanks for the code! #stable does some things on 1.4, but I still got nowhere with 1.3. The big thing keeping me off of 1.4 is shout in the browsers - I *really* like syntax highlighting. In fairness, I have not looked at 1.4 in a week or so, so maybe that's been fixed. However, I can certainly run it to play around with spec. >>>> >>>> Even on 1.4, I got a DNU over groups; this time I had to add the noop to OB, which is apparently the default in 1.4?? >>>> >>>> More fiddling to come. >>>> >>>> Bill >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of StÃ©phane Ducasse [stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr] >>>> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 3:26 AM >>>> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] MVP >>>> >>>> bill >>>> >>>> thanks for the catch. I updated the document. >>>> >>>> >>>> Gofer new >>>> url: 'http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/Spec'; >>>> package: 'ConfigurationOfSpec'; >>>> load >>>> >>>> ConfigurationOfSpec project load: #stable >>>> >>>> >>>> Stef >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mar 5, 2012, at 1:24 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ben, >>>>> >>>>> Great, but I'm still getting nipped by a DNU of #addGroupForPackage:. I found that no-oped in 1.4 so added it to 1.3 and was able to loadFull. It looks like great work, but I can't get anything to run in 1.3 or 1.4. Any ideas? >>>>> >>>>> Bill >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Benjamin [benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com] >>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 6:53 PM >>>>> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] MVP >>>>> >>>>> Everything has been moved in ss3.gemstone.com/ss/Spec :) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ben >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 5, 2012, at 12:47 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Ben, >>>>>> >>>>>> Ok, but I don't see it in either dirty experiments or the mc repository. Am I missing a ConfigurationOfSpec? >>>>>> >>>>>> Bill >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Benjamin [benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com] >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 6:38 PM >>>>>> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] MVP >>>>>> >>>>>> I am kind of a middle of something right now, so my advice is really to use the configuration (moreover I have added a lot of packages) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Keep me in touch, >>>>>> >>>>>> Ben >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 5, 2012, at 12:34 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Stef, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I skimmed the documentation and attempted to load Spec-BenjaminVanRyseghem.34.mcz into 1.3, but got an error and backed off. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Any ideas? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bill >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of StÃ©phane Ducasse [stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr] >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 2:56 AM >>>>>>> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] MVP >>>>>>> >>>>>>> if you want to have a look at what we are doing with benjamin you can have a look at >>>>>>> Spec >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yesterday benjamin added inputField support and rewrote the changeSorter. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Stef >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 5, 2012, at 3:28 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> More: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> proportional layouts need to let each view have a proportion (zero makes it fixed size) and splitters should be just another view that is added to a composite, following the horizontal/vertical nature of the layout manager. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Schwab,Wilhelm K [bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu] >>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:25 PM >>>>>>>> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] MVP >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm still a little overwhelmed, but I see attention to layout; this has been a BIG stumbling block for me in my efforts to bring MVP to Pharo. I recommend using nested composite view/presenter pairs for most layout. First, it lends itself well to an eventual view editor, and second, can be surprisingly easy to code directly. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Each composite view has a layout manager. Layouts include constrained table-like elements, but the real workhorses are proportional layouts, which can be set either horizontal or vertical. By nesting them, very complicate behavior can be achieved. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There, said "nesting," and that has been where I have fallen into trouble. Pharo/morphic layout works great for children of the top level, but after that, I can't get reliable results. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sleep calls... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Bill >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Schwab,Wilhelm K [bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu] >>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 6:36 PM >>>>>>>> To: pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>>> Subject: [Pharo-project] MVP >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have been to busy to read today, but I like seeing any discussion of MVP. I am **slowly** working on a framework for it, but would be glad to be beaten to it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Default models are key; they must be replaceable, but (sub)triads should work "out of the box." Models can include value holders, value adapters, converters, and contexts, depending on how they are wired. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have something of a start on the adapters and converters, which I can try to package and make available. If nothing else, they will have value in seeding discussion if not be directly usable. More to come. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Bill >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > -- > Janko MivÅ¡ek > Aida/Web > Smalltalk Web Application Server > http://www.aidaweb.si >

March 5, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Cog VM binaries as per VMMaker.oscog-eem.152/r2538.

by Eliot Miranda

On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Frank Shearar <frank.shearar(a)gmail.com>wrote: > On 4 March 2012 19:44, Philippe Marschall <kustos(a)gmx.net> wrote: > > On 03.03.2012 23:21, Eliot Miranda wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Cog VM binaries as per VMMaker.oscog-eem.152/r2538 > >> <http://www.mirandabanda.org/files/Cog/VM/VM.r2538/>. > >> > >> Fix tricky context state bug that can cause crashes in the GC. > >> Contextpart>runUntilErrorOrReturnFrom: may pop the last argument. > >> Hence if a frame is married in this state its spouse context won't have > >> its last argument slot initialized. If later the frame is divorced and > >> the > >> arguments are not updated the last argument slot can be left with this > >> uninitialized slot and ... bang. > >> The solution is to update arguments as well as stack contents when > >> divorcing. This is good also because it removes the VM's assumption > >> that method arguments are read-only, and that's only enforced by the > >> Smalltalk bytecode compiler, not by the bytecode. > > > > > > I just wanted to report that my LD_LIBRARY_PATH problems are gone and > the VM > > starts again on 64bit. Also TCP_CORK seems to work. > > On my Ubuntu Lucid install the magic statement in the case returns > > /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 > > So with the addition of > > /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc*) > SVMLLP="/lib/tls/i686/cmov:/usr/lib";; > > to the script, things seem OK: image booted, it updated, it passed the > UUID tests. I'm just running the full suite of tests now. Right, and > it didn't crash on playing that beep, which scared the __ out of me. > OK, the entire suite ran without crashing, which is great! Thanks, > Thanks Frank! People, please keep these corrections to LD_LIBRARY_PATH coming. And if any ubuntu guru can figure out how to discard the sceme on ubuntu and what the script shoudl do on ubuntu I'll happily integrate that too. > Eliot! > > I did have 18 failures and 38 errors, but that's the topic of a separate > mail. > > frank > > > Thanks > > Philippe > > > > > > -- best, Eliot

March 5, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] NativeBoost VM's

by Eliot Miranda

Hi Igor, On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 4 March 2012 22:46, Jan van de Sandt <jvdsandt(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello, > > > > On the Pharo Jenkins server [1] there is a recent build of a VM with > > NativeBoost support for the Mac. But the Unix version is six months old > and > > there is no Windows version. > > The Unix one was not built because i forgot to set the upstream project, :) > so build doesn't triggers when everything else builds. > The Windows one, i was built manually on my machine, because we were > lacking > windows slave for jenkins. > You can download windows VM from nativeboost project downloads page: > http://code.google.com/p/nativeboost/downloads/list > > I'm not happy with VM i built (Cog + NativeBoost Win32 Binaries (7 Feb, > 2012) ). > I built the threaded VM, and besides the warning which pops up every > time you launch it, > i had couple crashes when simply loading MC packages. > I am still not sure what happens, and need to investigate, because the > other VM i built recently > on another windows machine (by installing everything from scratch) > behaves quite stable. > I would definitely treat the threaded VM as experimental for now. It is in development (stalled due to lack of time), bleeding edge and very much not ready for prime time. I used to use it regularly on Mac but then it started locking up. I plan to get back to it this year sometime, but right now it is "use at your own risk" and not something to inflict on the unwitting. > > > > > Is this just a Jenkins issue and is NativeBoost working on Unix and > Windows? > > Or are these platforms not working yet? > > > Everything is working. It is just jenkins. > I hope in following few days, after we deal with weird free space > issues on jenkins, > we can finally set up windows builds for vanilla vms as well as for > nativeboost. > > > Jan. > > > > [1] https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/NativeBoost/ > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. > > -- best, Eliot

March 5, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] MVP

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Should not the seaside image be 1.4+seaside? Seaside takes a long time to load, so having jenkins do it on top of whatever version is being built seems wise to me; I'd add magritte too. Just trying to make things work. ________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Benjamin [benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 1:38 PM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] MVP Except if they use OBWorkspace etc Ben On Mar 5, 2012, at 7:33 PM, Marcus Denker wrote: > > On Mar 5, 2012, at 7:25 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > >> At least in the 1.4 seaside image, I do not get color highlighting the browser - debugger and workspaces do show >> coloring. I just grabbed the latest seaside image to verify. >> > > > then the build scripts of that image are wrong. A "seaside" image should not load anything related to browsers, workspaces > or debuggers. > > Marcus > > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de > >

March 5, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus feedback

by Alexandre Bergel

Why should I do this manually? I tried 'Choose new default browser' and 'Register this Browser as default', it does not work for me (I have a 14341). Is there something incorrect I am doing? Alexandre On 5 Mar 2012, at 16:28, Benjamin wrote: > Why don't you set Nautilus as the default browser ? > (And should be by default) > > > Ben > > On Mar 5, 2012, at 8:16 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > >>>> - Cmd-b does not open a Nautilus, but a standard browser >>> >>> It opens the default browser :) >> >> Is there a way to change this? This almost prevent me from using Nautilus. I use cmd-b a lot actually. >> OB does it pretty well... >> >> Cheers, >> Alexandre >> >> >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

March 5, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus feedback

by Benjamin

Why don't you set Nautilus as the default browser ? (And should be by default) Ben On Mar 5, 2012, at 8:16 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >>> - Cmd-b does not open a Nautilus, but a standard browser >> >> It opens the default browser :) > > Is there a way to change this? This almost prevent me from using Nautilus. I use cmd-b a lot actually. > OB does it pretty well... > > Cheers, > Alexandre > > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > >

March 5, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus feedback

by Alexandre Bergel

>> - Cmd-b does not open a Nautilus, but a standard browser > > It opens the default browser :) Is there a way to change this? This almost prevent me from using Nautilus. I use cmd-b a lot actually. OB does it pretty well... Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

March 5, 2012